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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Cecil Chapman born Whitchurch
« on: Thursday 14 July 05 01:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for being a great sleuth, John!

Now I can try for a marriage cert for Bessie and Arthur Dean.  That is probably the right Charles Chapman.  He apparently drowned - perhaps on purpose. 

To the best of anyone in the family's knowledge, Bessie wasn't Elizabeth.  Maybe they came from someplace else before the 1881 census.  Trouble is my Aunts - Reginald's daughters - are in their 80S and don't remember a lot.  Maybe because he only told what he wanted known!  He spent most of his childhood away at private school and left home at 15 for Canada, so maybe he didn't know too much either. 
I think it wasn't a happy family... his brother he came to Canada with told his 2 children nothing.  The son is a bit senile now, but the daughter was amazed at the info I do have - she knew nothing.

Thanks again,
Lorraine




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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Cecil Chapman born Whitchurch
« on: Tuesday 12 July 05 00:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the update John. 

Is there a way to get more recent info on Cecil?  He married a Gwen somebody and had a son Raymond.  Managed to dig up that much.

Bessie remarried an Arthur Dean.  She was a vocalist, yes and apparently sang in the Crystal Palace.  There is confusion over her maiden name.  I think it was Allfrey and her father was Rev. A.S. Allfrey.  She took a stage name of Christine Neunam.  One of Reginald's daughters was named Christine after her and another had the middle name Bessie after her. 

Charles J (her husband) was a vocalist/actor.  He died appx. 1894-1895 sometime between Cecil being conceived and born or just after he was born.

So, what I'm after is: Bessie's Allfrey history, when she died, Charles J death date, Bessie's marriage to Arthur Dean, and any links to Cecil's prodigy.  There may well be a grandchild of Cecil's about my age!

Every little bit helps!  Thanks for looking!
Lorraine

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Cecil Chapman born Whitchurch
« on: Monday 11 July 05 14:56 BST (UK)  »
Thanks John,
Reginald is my Grandfather.  He came to Canada in 1908 with the next older brother Edgar.  They stayed here.  Albert (Bert) and another older yet, Charles Frederick (Fred) remained in England - one died at sea (merchant or Navy I don't know).  Don't know anything about the older ones - one may have gone to USA.  Cecil remained in England.  My Dad died in 1968 and I've not got much info out of his sisters.  I thought if I could trace Cecils family there is probably someone living there that I could get more info from.  Don't know when Bessie died - when my Dad was a kid because she did come to Canada once for a visit.  I know Cecil was alive when I was a kid (1960's) because I remember my grandfather getting letters.
Lorraine

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Cecil Chapman born Whitchurch
« on: Saturday 09 July 05 18:59 BST (UK)  »
Seeking any information on Cecil Chapman born Whitchurch, Hampshire appx. 1895 parents Charles J. Chapman and Bessie (Newnam or Allfrey).  Looking for possible marriage and children in hopes of tracking more information on my Grandfather who was Cecils older brother.   Thank you.

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Sussex / Re: Bessie Allfrey born in Bognor Regis
« on: Tuesday 24 May 05 20:53 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, Deborah.  I had the 1901 and 1881 info from my Chapman query.  Didn't know when Charles died, but I had determined it had to be between 1894 and 1896 so your info is very helpful.  Don't know anything about the Westhampnett details you quote.  Mysterious wonam and mysterious Allfrey family!

Thanks also Andrea for all your help.  The searcher on the message boards you refer to are me. I did that several years ago and got nowhere.  Lots of websites but from Canada you have to pay to get the info even from most of the census'. 

Much appreciated both of you.
Lorraine

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Sussex / Bessie Allfrey born in Bognor Regis
« on: Tuesday 24 May 05 06:13 BST (UK)  »
Not sure if this is the right place for Bognor Regis (sounds strange to a Canadian) - but my G/grandmother Bessie Allfrey was apparently born there abour 1861.  Not sure if Bessie was short for something.  Also not sure if her first name may have been Christine but she went by Bessie.  Her father was Rev. A.S. Allfrey.  She married Charles James Chapman about 1879 - 1880.  She was a vocalist and had a stage name of Christine Newnam or perhaps a varied spelling of Newnam.

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Oxfordshire / Re: Dingle
« on: Monday 23 May 05 19:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much Harry. This is the best I've learned yet for this family.  I'm confused why Robert is shown as being 35 in the 1891 census and then 29 in the 1901 unless it was an error since Rosa is listed as 29 or else he was very vain which could well be.  Family rumour said he was some high professor with a university but we later learned he was a ropemaker.

I know Rosa came to Canada but I think it was with a second husband, Mr. Lindsay because I think Robert had died.
Cheers,
Lorraine

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Glamorganshire / Re: Florence Mary Jones
« on: Monday 23 May 05 15:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much Newbie and The Rhondda.  I'm just getting started on this so it's a work in progress!  I'm sure you know what I mean!  I couldn't access the census without paying from Canada.  Or if I can I'm not sure where to find it.
Lorraine

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Glamorganshire / Re: Looking for Walter Jones of Wales and Alberta
« on: Monday 23 May 05 07:34 BST (UK)  »
I have just today discovered that David Jones immigrated to Canada Sept 1909 and his daughter ended up in Vancouver BC where she married my husbands grandfather.  David was 44 on the ship registry, so he must have been born about 1865.  They could be realated or both the Jones and Rowland(s) names could just be common names and a co-incidence that the Jones both married Rowlands.  I'm in Canada so not sure about Wales.
Lorraine

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