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Suffolk / Re: Patience the minor
« on: Thursday 30 November 23 00:38 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, that would seem to make more sense. A slight tweak of age to be more desirable to a beau.   By 1852/53 Henry (previously a clerk) was licensee of the Bell Inn in Borough Market and was in trouble for not paying the taxes.  Henry seems to have left Patience as his brother Joseph in Australia put several adverts in the newspaper asking for Henry to contact him.  Henry never did appear in another census that I can find, maybe to avoid debt collectors.  Then by mid 1854 he was living with Jane Millard and they had a daughter Amy Jane Soden, supposedly born in Bow.  Amy Jane's baptism on 7 May 1871 at St Mary Newington states she was born 7th Feb 1855.   Henry and Jane married in June 1880 after Patience died in April 1880.
Thank you LizzieL for the suggestion.  I often find that people embellish the truth but forget that they also downright lied about things.

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Armed Forces / Re: assistant surgeon Soden
« on: Wednesday 29 November 23 05:11 GMT (UK)  »
Definetly NOT the assistant surgeon Thomas Soden who died in 1816 and who was married to Elizabeth Whitford.  We have DNA tested with descendants of two branches of of this family, one in England and one here in Australia and both come up as no match.
I have been thru the Commissioned Officers Book and got quite a few Thomas Sodens. But as I have not much to go on, there seems to be no way to know which one he may have been. 
Thank you all for your suggestions.
 

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Armed Forces / Re: assistant surgeon Soden
« on: Tuesday 28 November 23 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks mckha489 for the reply and info on hospital mates, helps make a bit of sense with the Army records. I did know about the death of Teresa and 40 Gainsford St in the 41 and 51 census, but did not add it as it shed no light on Thomas and my post was already rather a long read. The Army compassionate List gave no birth date for Teresa, but did for the 2 boys.
  If Thomas was serving in Naples would he need Army permission to marry and then to bring his wife back to England.
Thanks again.

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Suffolk / Re: Patience the minor
« on: Tuesday 28 November 23 05:30 GMT (UK)  »
No age details were given on the transcription (found on FindMyPast) and as yet have not found another site that has the original church baptisms.  Did not think of the possibility that it might not be an infant. Thanks

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Suffolk / Patience the minor
« on: Tuesday 28 November 23 04:45 GMT (UK)  »
I have been searching for Patience Barber's birth or baptism records.    Her marriage Sep 1836 to Henry Soden in Lambeth M/sex says she is married with consent of John Barber, father of the said minor. 
   All her Middlesex census returns state she was born in Chediston Suffolk, somewhere within the years of 1813 to 1822.   Census of 1841 Patience is 20 years (rounded down) in 1851 - 32y,  1861- 39y, 1871 - 58 and in 1880 is 66 on her death cert and 67 in the newspaper death notice. 
    But the only transcription record so far is a baptism in Chediston of 23 Oct 1812 to parents John and Ann Maria Barber which makes her 24 when she married.   Would this age be too old to be a minor ?  Both the Banns of March 1836 then Sep 1836 also say she is a spinster minor.
Thanks Louise

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Armed Forces / assistant surgeon Soden
« on: Tuesday 28 November 23 03:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas Soden.  I know  his name and the fact that he was in the British Army before his death around 1818.  Did you join the Army or get conscripted as you were a medical person?
    As I do not know exactly when or were he died, I have no age for a possible birth, and no marriage or any birth/baptism records for his 3 children.
   I do know Thomas's wife Elizabeth Crivelli was born in Naples c1793 , and possibly they married while he was serving overseas, she collected an Army pension from c1818 for herself and 3 children listed in the Army Compassionate lists as Theresa (no birth date) who died 1834. Henry born 15 June 1814 and Joseph born 15 Feb 1817.  Next to no clues from any later records.
    There are plenty Thomas Soden's listed in records late 1700 and early 1800 but how to  narrow things down.  Thomas Soden of Artillery Place, M/sex the Apothecary who was bankrupt in Oct 1793.  Thomas Soden in the Royal College of Surgeons examinations in March 1804 3rd rate and 5th rate (think these maybe Naval rankings)  Thomas Soden 1805 listed as a member of RCS living at City Road London.   Thomas Soden No 2611 to Assistant Surgeon, in 31st Foot, commissioned officers 1806, hospital mate previous to being commissioned. (what was a hospital mate)  T Soden hospital assistant promoted to assistant surgeon in 1814. 
    DNA tests have proved that it was not the Thomas Soden, Assistant Surgeon of the 79th Foot who married Elizabeth Whitford in 1788 and died 15 Oct 1816. One ruled out!!
Any ideas on where to go from here please.
Thanks  Louise

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The Common Room / Re: new guinea
« on: Monday 02 May 22 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Does not appear to be probate in Victoria or NSW.

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The Common Room / Re: new guinea
« on: Monday 02 May 22 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Good idea.  He was divorced and had no children.  I know his eldest brother Jack was the executor of his will, but Jack had died only a few months before Gordon so another brother Harry then took care of things, but I must admit I have not chased the will down, so will do that. 
I had seen page 2 of the NAA papers, as my granddad had a copy.  The 3rd page does mention burial costs, so guess that must mean he was buried by the time the family was contacted.
Thanks for that.
 

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The Common Room / Re: new guinea
« on: Monday 02 May 22 08:27 BST (UK)  »
I did contact the Griffith Genealogical & Historical Society about the entry for the Outside Riverina Cemetery and the group log any records they find like newspaper articles etc for people who have lived or died in the general area, and Gordon came under this criteria.  And Outside Riverina means just that - he is not buried within the Riverina area.
Still no reply from the PNG High Commission, not even an acknowledgement of my email, so may have to give up on them. Only option would be to go there myself, I think.
Thanks for all the suggestions.   

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