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Scotland / Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« on: Saturday 20 June 20 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Having looked at the testament dative of Alexander Sutherland of Woodend (d. 03 Aug 1793 near Stirling), son of William Sutherland, brewer, I am now convinced that William Sutherland, brewer, was identical with William Sutherland, merchant who married Euphemia Eason.  This William was apparently the son of Thomas Sutherland of Keam and Margaret Rhind.
Alexander Sutherland of Woodend's executors were his next of kin, descendants of his grandfather, another Thomas Sutherland of Keam, by his second wife Marjory Watson.

William Sutherland of Roscommon who died in 1747 was not the same person as William Sutherland, brewer in Edinbugh, who died in 1759.

From this we have:

Thomas Sutherland of Keam, d. 14 May 1727 in Duffus
= (1) 13 Jul 1676 in Duffus, Elizabeth Sutherland (daughter of the 1st Lord Duffus?)
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+-->William Sutherland b. c. 4 Oct 1677 in Duffus
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+-->David Sutherland, glover in Elgin, b. c. 22 Mar 1681 in Duffus
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, b. c. 8 Jul 1682 in Duffus
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+-->Robert Sutherland, b. c. 30 Nov 1684 in Duffus
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+-->Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
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= (2) 31 Jul 1690 in Alves, Marjory Watson, d. 9 Jan 1710 in Duffus
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+-->James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
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+-->Kenneth Sutherland, b. c. 23 Apr 1700 in Duffus
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+-->Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
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+-->Marjory Sutherland, b. c. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
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+-->Elizabeth Sutherland, b. c. 2 Oct 1709


Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
= Margaret Rhind, d. 19 Aug 1742
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+-->William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh


William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh
= 29 Dec 1723 in Edinburgh, Euphemia Eason, b. 24 Jul 1702 in Edinburgh
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+-->David Sutherland, b. 4 Mar 1725 in Edinburgh (dvp, sp)
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
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+-->John Sutherland, b. 4 May 1728 in Edinburgh


Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
= 8 Dec 1751 in Edinburgh, Helen Muirhead
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+-->Euphemia Sutherland, b. 1 Ap 1756 in Edinburgh, d. young


James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
= ?
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+-->Margaret Sutherland (m. Thomas Rhind 19 Apr 1743)


Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
= _____ Anderson
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+-->Marjory Anderson
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+-->Isobel Anderson
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+-->James Anderson


Marjory Sutherland, b. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
= (1?) _____ Steven
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+-->Alexander Steven, brewer in the Water of Leith
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= (2?) _____ Hay
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+-->Alexander Hay, farmer at Burnside of Duffus
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= (3?) _____ Grant
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+-->John Grant, hairdresser in Elgin

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Scotland / Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« on: Saturday 20 June 20 02:21 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
While investigating an oft-repeated claim of my ancestor Alexander Sutherland's origins, I came across some records from https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ that might be of interest.  I've abstracted a few of them there.

13/07/1676 - Duffus (this record is partly worn)
Groom: THOMAS SUTHERLAND
Bride: ELSPETH SUTHERLAND

I have seen it claimed in some trees that Thomas Sutherland of Keam, son of William Sutherland (by Agnes Allan), younger son of William, 10th of Duffus, married his cousin Elizabeth Sutherland, daughter of the 1st Lord Duffus.

06/08/1686 - Duffus
Child: THOMAS SUTHERLAND
Father: THOMAS SUTHERLAND in Keame
Mother: ELSPETH SUTHERLAND in Keame
Witnesss: JOHN SUTHERLAND, [I can't quite make out the other name]

I have seen it claimed in some trees that this younger Thomas Sutherland of Keame married Margaret Rhind with children William, Alexander and Robert, but I've found no record to confirm this as of yet.

29/12/1723 - Edinburgh
Groom: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, son of THOMAS SUTHERLAND of Keam, dec'd in the parish of Duffus; now in SE parish
Bride: EUPHAM EASON, daughter of DAVID EASON, merchant in SSE parish

06/03/1725 - Edinburgh
Child: DAVID SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAN EASON
Witnesses: MR DAVID WALKER, advocat, ALEXANDER PETRIE, writer, DAVID EASON, merchant
Born 4 March 1725.

03/10/1726 - Edinburgh
Child: ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAM EASON
Witnesses: ALEXANDER PETRIE, writer, DAVID EASON and JAMES SPITTALL, merchants
Born 30 September 1725.
This Alexander is claimed in many trees to be my ancestor, though without direct proof.

07/05/1728 - Edinburgh
Child: JOHN SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAM EASON
Witnesses: MR. JOHN HEPBURN, one of the ___ of the city, MR JOHN SUTHERLAND, student in Divinity, DAVID EASON and JAMES SPITLE merchants
Born 4 May 1728.

From this we establish that Thomas Sutherland of Keam, who was probably from a cadet branch of the Duffus line, had a son, William Sutherland, merchant in Edinburgh.  This William married Eupham Eason and had David, Alexander (often claimed to be my ancestor, but without substantial evidence to my knowledge), and John.

17/06/1747 - Edinburgh
Testament Dative and Inventory of WILLIAM SUTHERLAND of Rosecommon, sometime merchant in Edinburgh and late residenter in the Abbey of Holyroodhouse at the time of his decease (in March 1747).
Executor dative: ALEXANDER MCKENZIE of Fraserdale, Esq.
Debts owed to GEORGE DUGUID, merchant in Edinburgh.
Had goods in the house of BENJAMIN MILLER, gardener and brewer on the precincts of the Palace of Holyroodhouse, sold at public auction.  The balance of the sale was in the hands of GEORGE ROBERTSON, Clerk of the said Palace.
Confirmed by MASTER JAMES LESHE.
Cautioner: ANDREW CHALMER, writer in Edinburgh
Dated 17 Jun 1747.

If William Sutherland of Roscommon, son of Lord Duffus, really did die shortly after 1715 as is widely claimed, then it appears there was a second William Sutherland designated "of Roscommon", who was a younger cousin of the earlier Hon. William Sutherland of Roscommon who married Helen Duff.  And since this William Sutherland of Roscommon was described as a merchant in Edinburgh, one might suppose he is the same person as William Sutherland, son of Thomas Sutherland of Keam, who married Euphemia Eason.  And as this William Sutherland definitely had at least three children, he could have been the "Roscommon" progenitor of the Sutherlands mentioned in this thread.

That is one possibility.  But to make things a little more confusing, there was a William Sutherland, brewer of Edinburgh, who had a servant named Euphan Eason and a son Alexander of Woodend who married Helen Muirhead.  This William Sutherland, brewer, died 16 May 1759.  I of course have to wonder if William Sutherland the merchant later became William Sutherland the brewer (which would mean he was not the same William Sutherland, merchant of Edinburgh, who died in 1747).  Or if they were two distinct but possibly related individuals.

For what it's worth, the amusing family lore is that my ancestor Alexander Sutherland (who, for reasons that will soon become apparent, was clearly not the Alexander Sutherland who married Helen Muirhead) was a university student in Edinburgh.  One night, he and a few of his classmates went rough-housing on a docked ship.  I would assume there was plenty of alcohol involved, because they didn't come to their senses until long after the ship had set sail with them on board.  And that was how Alexander and his friends accidentally emigrated to what is now Hunterdon County, New Jersey.
Alexander married a widow, Elizabeth Williams.  His brother John later joined him in the colonies.  Both eventually migrated to upstate South Carolina with their families.  Alexander's daughter Jane, born around 1752, married Peter Acker, the progenitor of the Acker family of the American South from which I descend in a female line.

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London and Middlesex / Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« on: Thursday 18 September 14 03:04 BST (UK)  »
I finally located the will of the father-in-law of Alexander McKenzie.  He was John Manfield, Gentleman of Saint John Hampstead, and his 1812 will is available through the National Archives and on TheGenealogist.com as well as Ancestry.  His widow was Elizabeth, but she seems to have been his second wife, his first being Mary Byrchmore.  The will mentions two children, John Manfield and Sarah the wife of Alexander Mackenzie, as well as a granddaughter Mary Mackenzie.

Mary Mackenzie was born in 1789, according to the Holborn Lying-In hospital records, to Alexander Mackenzie, "Taylor" of "Dumphries" (no doubt Dumfries?) and his wife Sarah.  At the births of their next few children, Alexander is again described as a "Taylor" but of St Marylebone instead of Dumfries.

It seems clear to me that the Mary Mackenzie born in 1789 and mentioned in her grandfather John Manfield's will is the same Mary Mackenzie, daughter of the tailor Alexander Mackenzie, mentioned in Alexander Clark's will.  I have yet to find any kind of birth or Baptismal record for her sister Anne.  In fact, Alexander Clark's will is the only reference to her I can find.  I would like to know more about her.  That her name was mentioned before Mary's in Alexander Clark's will suggests she was older than Mary, but her absence from John Manfield's will is noted.  Did she die before that will?  Or was she born to another consort before Alexander Mackenzie's marriage to Sarah Manfield and thus unrelated to John Manfield?  Christening records also show a daughter Margaret Mackenzie born in 1787 who is mentioned in neither of the two wills.  What happened to her?

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London and Middlesex / Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« on: Wednesday 06 August 14 18:28 BST (UK)  »
A few facts that might help clarify some of these relationships:

A certain Alexander Mackenzie, tailor, and his wife Sarah Mansfield had children baptized between 1787 and 1807 at Marylebone and Holborn: Margaret, Mary, Sarah, Jabez, Hannah, Philip, and Euphemia.

This Alexander appears to be the (half?) brother of Lieut.-Col. Jabez Mackenzie of the Bengal Establishment.  They were sons of Lady Mary Mackenzie, daughter of the 3rd Earl of Cromarty.  Both took their mother's surname.  Alexander's paternity is unclear to me at this time (he seems to have been born several years before his mother's first marriage -- i.e. was illegitimate), but Jabez was Lady Mary's son by a certain Robert Clark(e) whom she married in 1750.

Lady Mary Mackenzie married four times, first to Robert Clarke, then to Thomas Drayton, then to John Ainslie, and finally to Henry Middleton.  The latter three were of South Carolina.

The Charleston Morning Post, 5 Jun 1786, records the arrival of "A. M'Kenzie, Esq; son of Lady Mary Middleton by a former marriage".

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Argyllshire / Re: Archibald MacNeil of Colonsay m. Lady Georgina Anna Forbes
« on: Sunday 04 August 13 06:31 BST (UK)  »
 July 10 1841 

On the 29th ult., in Kilmacrenan Church, by the Rev. Robert Alexander, DOCTOR MOLLOY, son of the REV FRANCIS MOLLOY, to AUGUSTIN DOROTHEA MACNEILL, only daughter of the late COLONEL MACNEILL, of Collonsay, and LADY ANNE HASTINGS

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Argyllshire / Re: Archibald MacNeil of Colonsay m. Lady Georgina Anna Forbes
« on: Sunday 04 August 13 06:06 BST (UK)  »
Recollections of the Irish Church: 2nd series, p. 57, mentions Rev. Anthony Hastings marrying the widow of Col. Macneil of Colonsay, and then mentions her son, Rev. George Macneil.

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Longford / Possible additions to the Baron Baltimore pedigree
« on: Thursday 01 August 13 00:37 BST (UK)  »
Various Maryland genealogical bulletins available on Google Books come up with the following list of children for Benedict Calvert, 4th Baron Baltimore and Lady Charlotte Lee:

Charles Calvert, 5th Baron Baltimore
Benedict Leonard Calvert
Edward Henry Calvert m. Margaret Lee
Charlotte Calvert m. Thomas Brerewood
Jane Calvert, m. John Hyde of Kingston Lisle
Cecil Calvert
Anne Calvert
Barbara Calvert

Anne and Barbara are often assumed to have died young, but I've found this to not be the case, at least with Anne.  "Nanny Calvert" is mentioned in various family letters in the late 1720s and early 1730s, and "Miss Calvert" (presumably Nanny) is reported to have married a certain Mr. Rolf with issue, at least one daughter.

I also found the following family of interest, which appears to be connected:

James Brown and Elizabeth _____, of Wimbledon, Surrey.  Children:
Charlotte Brown b. 1726
Robert Brown b. 1727
James Brown b. 1729
Anne Brown b. 1732
Henrietta Calvert Brown b. 1726

There was another Brown baptized in 1726 in Westminster: John Calvert Brown, son of Thomas (?) and Isabella.  I've only been able to see the abstract of this record.

A certain John Brown acquired the manor of Mount Calvert in Prince George's County, Maryland, circa 1775, and established a tobacco plantation and mansion there.  As well as a planter, this John was a merchant and a breeder of racehorses.  He is sometimes referred to as Dr. Brown.  His property originally belonged to Philip Calvert, Governor of Maryland; for a long while I have thought John Brown to be connected to the Baltimore Barons, either by blood or marriage.  At one point I believed his first wife to have been a daughter of Walter Joyce and Jane Hyde (daughter of John Hyde and Jane Calvert), but have become unsatisfied with the evidence that originally led me to that belief.  I still believe in some sort of Calvert connection, but am unsure of precisely what it is.

Also, the sources that say John, Henry, and "Mary Calvert Hyde" were the only children of John Hyde and Jane Calvert are just plain wrong.  Baptismal and legal records reveal that John and Jane Hyde were the parents of at least twelve children -- John, Frederick, Charlotte, Anne, Diana, an unnamed son, Mary, Jane, Cecilia Barbara, George, Philip, and Catherine -- possibly among others.  I have yet to find primary evidence of a Henry Hyde or of Mary being the wife of George Mitchell and the mother of an Earl of Royalton, but I accept the possibility of their reality.

Catherine Hyde, the daughter of John and Jane (Calvert) Hyde, married Rev. Thomas Willis of Bletchley and has reasonably well-documented descent.  Her sister Jane Hyde married Walter Joyce; three daughters --- Anne, Jane, and Catherine --- were mentioned in their grandmother Hon. Jane (Calvert) Hyde's will, Anne being under 21 and unmarried at the time.  Also I've found Richard, an unnamed son, Bridget, and Margaret baptized to a certain Walter Joyce in Lancashire in the 1750s.

Cecil Calvert's will mentions Cecilius Newport, b. 1755, who appears to have been his natural son.

Charles Calvert, 5th Baron Baltimore, had a well-known illegitimate son, Benedict Swingate Calvert, but also at least two others who are mentioned in his will: Augustus Bressan Calvert and Charles Cecil Bressan Calvert, sons of his mistress Cecil Mignon Bressan.  A certain Mrs. Jane Newman is also well provided for in Charles Calvert's will, and appears to me to have been another mistress.  I have no idea who the mother of Benedict Swingate Calvert was, and am skeptical of the Melusina von der Schulenburg connection.

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Argyllshire / Archibald MacNeil of Colonsay m. Lady Georgina Anna Forbes
« on: Saturday 13 July 13 04:03 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody here have sources on the 5th Laird of Colonsay, who was obliged to sell his estates to his cousin and allegedly had dealings with the Governor of South Carolina?

Many later sources insist that he and Anne Georgiana Forbes, daughter of the Earl of Granard, had no children, but I've found this is simply not true. They had, at least, a daughter (Georgina Anna MacNeil) christened in Leghorn on November 11, 1800. I have also seen an 1831 marriage announcement for Elizabeth Alison and Captain Archibald Macneil, formerly of the 91st Regiment, who is called the son of the late Colonel Archibald MacNeil of Colonsay. I have determined from the census records that this younger Archibald was born around 1786, and if that is true, he was probably not Georgina's son. Perhaps a natural son of the Laird?

And what of his dealings with South Carolina?

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Devon / Anne Dorothy Fanshaw m. Matthews, Esq.
« on: Saturday 13 July 13 04:00 BST (UK)  »
Anne Dorothy Fanshaw was the daughter of William Fanshaw by Mary Crofts, natural daughter of Lucy Walter and a father whose identity is up for debate.  James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth, was Mary's [?half-]brother.  Mary was married twice, first to William Sarsfield by whom she became an ancestor to Princes William and Harry.  She then married William Fanshaw, Anne Dorothy's father.

Her husband, according to her brother's will (1726), was a Mr. Matthews, "barrister-at-law" according to Burke's Landed Gentry.

I have found a marriage record, dated 24 Jun 1715, for Patrick McMahon and Anne Fanshaw at Saint James Dukes Palace, London.  Patrick McMahon is described as being of what appears to be Arlington, Devon, but the handwriting is difficult to read and I could have it wrong.

I understand that the Irish name MacMahon can be translated as Matthews.  Is this couple in the 1715 marriage record identical to Mr. Matthews, barrister-at-law, and Anne Dorothy Fanshaw?

Does anyone have further information about these people?  Did they have any children, and if so, did these children marry?  Was one of them Mary, the wife of John Roddy of Ireland (Reddy, Roddey, MacRiada, O'Roddy, and an enormous variety of other spellings and variations)?

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