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World War One / Re: Royal Warks Regt - (2b) Balkans
« on: Thursday 20 July 17 16:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Pierre, that's very kind of you! 
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Radnorshire / Re: COMPLETED Baptised in Evenjobb?
« on: Saturday 24 May 14 21:03 BST (UK) »
That's a nice thought, Dennis! 
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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: KELLYS WOR 1920 or 1921 look up
« on: Wednesday 22 January 14 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Heather. I've sent you a personal message.
Julie
Julie
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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: KELLYS WOR 1920 or 1921 look up
« on: Wednesday 22 January 14 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Heather
Thank you very much for your response. It's certainly a small world!
John Pinchin was my grandmother's brother. He lived at 1 South View, Wyre, where you say the dairy was. I didn't realise he ran the dairy from home. His wife, Minnie, ran a sweet shop from the front room. My dad actually worked for John (known as Jack) on the Wyre milk round for a while in the 1950's. Your Grandmother could well have lived next door to Uncle Jack (he died in 1958)! If you don't mind me asking, what was her name? We might have known her.
My Grandmother, Gertrude Ballard after marriage, lived at 8 South View, at the other end of the block, next to the railway bridge. In the 1970's, when I used to visit as a child, the Payne's lived at no. 5 and Main's at no. 6, later moving to no.7, as I understand it. I remember playing in the pig sty in the garden and going right down to the bottom of the garden to watch the steam trains thundering past. My dad grew up at no.8 and, after marriage, lived in Church Street until the 1960's.
I would welcome any other comments that you can add. My link with the Attwoods is through my gg grandmother Elizabeth Attwood (1843-1915) who married William Tinson (my gg grandfather).
Julie
Thank you very much for your response. It's certainly a small world!
John Pinchin was my grandmother's brother. He lived at 1 South View, Wyre, where you say the dairy was. I didn't realise he ran the dairy from home. His wife, Minnie, ran a sweet shop from the front room. My dad actually worked for John (known as Jack) on the Wyre milk round for a while in the 1950's. Your Grandmother could well have lived next door to Uncle Jack (he died in 1958)! If you don't mind me asking, what was her name? We might have known her.
My Grandmother, Gertrude Ballard after marriage, lived at 8 South View, at the other end of the block, next to the railway bridge. In the 1970's, when I used to visit as a child, the Payne's lived at no. 5 and Main's at no. 6, later moving to no.7, as I understand it. I remember playing in the pig sty in the garden and going right down to the bottom of the garden to watch the steam trains thundering past. My dad grew up at no.8 and, after marriage, lived in Church Street until the 1960's.
I would welcome any other comments that you can add. My link with the Attwoods is through my gg grandmother Elizabeth Attwood (1843-1915) who married William Tinson (my gg grandfather).
Julie
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Australia / Re: For Better or Worse, Convict Lives Shaped by Transportation - JOSEPH TURVEY
« on: Wednesday 26 September 12 12:06 BST (UK) »
Debra
Wow! What can I say?
I am quite overwhelmed by all the info you have given me. Thank you so very much for all those links. It's been nice to see the original images and help piece it all together. I see that Samuel tried to marry another convict in Mary Dickson, an Irish thief convicted in Scotland to 7 years on Van Diemen's Land!
Thanks again to everyone for all their help. I've been researching my tree for 9 years now but am not at all familiar with the Australian records and websites.
Julie
Wow! What can I say?
I am quite overwhelmed by all the info you have given me. Thank you so very much for all those links. It's been nice to see the original images and help piece it all together. I see that Samuel tried to marry another convict in Mary Dickson, an Irish thief convicted in Scotland to 7 years on Van Diemen's Land!Thanks again to everyone for all their help. I've been researching my tree for 9 years now but am not at all familiar with the Australian records and websites.
Julie
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Australia / Re: For Better or Worse, Convict Lives Shaped by Transportation - JOSEPH TURVEY
« on: Tuesday 25 September 12 17:48 BST (UK) »
Trish
Our posts crossed. So glad you've found a second wife. That's makes a bit more sense now! When you say "according to a tree" do you mean someone's tree that's been posted online (I'm assuming you don't mean that a tree told you!).
Thank you!
Julie
Our posts crossed. So glad you've found a second wife. That's makes a bit more sense now! When you say "according to a tree" do you mean someone's tree that's been posted online (I'm assuming you don't mean that a tree told you!
). Thank you!
Julie
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Australia / Re: For Better or Worse, Convict Lives Shaped by Transportation - JOSEPH TURVEY
« on: Tuesday 25 September 12 17:46 BST (UK) »
Trish
Thank you so much for all your efforts. It is so very kind of you to spare the time. Yes, I am confused about Joseph's wife too! Where was she in 1841 and yes, she did contact the paper in 1846 to inform them of her husband's letter (I'd have thought that she'd want to keep the fact that her husband was a prisoner a secret, personally!). I wonder if she might have been his second wife?
I did look quickly on the IGI myself but wasn't able to find anything so you've done better than me. I've never got on with the new familysearch layout.
I wonder where Samuel's wife was in 1841 too? According to the other thread on the Turvey boys http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,306958.0.html Samuel married Margaret Brown 12 Jan 1858 at St Peter's, Hamilton but I haven't verified this. On his transportation record it stated under family life that he was married with 5 children but "single" (in inverted commas!) was noted under marital status!
The more I find out, the more confused I get!!
Julie
Thank you so much for all your efforts. It is so very kind of you to spare the time. Yes, I am confused about Joseph's wife too! Where was she in 1841 and yes, she did contact the paper in 1846 to inform them of her husband's letter (I'd have thought that she'd want to keep the fact that her husband was a prisoner a secret, personally!). I wonder if she might have been his second wife?
I did look quickly on the IGI myself but wasn't able to find anything so you've done better than me. I've never got on with the new familysearch layout.
I wonder where Samuel's wife was in 1841 too? According to the other thread on the Turvey boys http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,306958.0.html Samuel married Margaret Brown 12 Jan 1858 at St Peter's, Hamilton but I haven't verified this. On his transportation record it stated under family life that he was married with 5 children but "single" (in inverted commas!) was noted under marital status!
The more I find out, the more confused I get!!
Julie
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Australia / Re: For Better or Worse, Convict Lives Shaped by Transportation - JOSEPH TURVEY
« on: Tuesday 25 September 12 17:14 BST (UK) »
My goodness, you're a very quick lot on this board!! I was only really after the excerpt from the book but everything else has been a bonus!
Merlin, many thanks for all your links and Margaret's e mail address. It was she who started a thread going back to 2010 relating to the book. I have contacted her directly to see if she is still offering look up's.
The Tasmanian Archives site was very informative although I don't know if it's my "on its way out" laptop or not but every time I tried to click on an original image it just disappeared from the screen! I did manage to glean a lot of info off the transcripts though so hopefully I haven't missed anything.
I've been through the censuses/IGI to get more info on the family although I still don't actually know if I'm related to Joseph and Samuel or not. The Turveys married into my Tinson tree via William Turvey b. 1868 Pershore (s/o George & Mary) = Emma Jane Tinson. But I've got so engrossed in this story of the manslaughter of the Earl of Coventry's gamekeeper and the Turvey boys' (I think they were cousins, not brothers) subsequent transportation, I'm now not really bothered whether they were related to me or not, I just want to find out what happened, particularly, to Joseph. I will have to subscribe to the British Newspapers online again to get the full stories of what actually happened and the subsequent trial.
Am I right in thinking there won't be any surviving Australian census info available for Joseph after he served his sentence? (although he was given life so maybe he wasn't ever released). The newspaper article in the Worcester Journal of 21 May 1846 though states that in a letter to his wife (her name wasn't given) he said that he was hopeful of a release for good conduct and then he "will easily be able to procure sufficient money to pay for his wife and family's voyage out". I would love to think that the family did go and join him in Australia but I've not found them in any passenger lists so far (it would help if I knew the wife's name!).
I got Joseph's death info from another old post on this board relating to the boys. It matches the 11/6/1884 death you found, Merlin. Thank you.
Once again, thank you all for all your help. It is very much appreciated.
Julie
Merlin, many thanks for all your links and Margaret's e mail address. It was she who started a thread going back to 2010 relating to the book. I have contacted her directly to see if she is still offering look up's.
The Tasmanian Archives site was very informative although I don't know if it's my "on its way out" laptop or not but every time I tried to click on an original image it just disappeared from the screen! I did manage to glean a lot of info off the transcripts though so hopefully I haven't missed anything.
I've been through the censuses/IGI to get more info on the family although I still don't actually know if I'm related to Joseph and Samuel or not. The Turveys married into my Tinson tree via William Turvey b. 1868 Pershore (s/o George & Mary) = Emma Jane Tinson. But I've got so engrossed in this story of the manslaughter of the Earl of Coventry's gamekeeper and the Turvey boys' (I think they were cousins, not brothers) subsequent transportation, I'm now not really bothered whether they were related to me or not, I just want to find out what happened, particularly, to Joseph. I will have to subscribe to the British Newspapers online again to get the full stories of what actually happened and the subsequent trial.
Am I right in thinking there won't be any surviving Australian census info available for Joseph after he served his sentence? (although he was given life so maybe he wasn't ever released). The newspaper article in the Worcester Journal of 21 May 1846 though states that in a letter to his wife (her name wasn't given) he said that he was hopeful of a release for good conduct and then he "will easily be able to procure sufficient money to pay for his wife and family's voyage out". I would love to think that the family did go and join him in Australia but I've not found them in any passenger lists so far (it would help if I knew the wife's name!).
I got Joseph's death info from another old post on this board relating to the boys. It matches the 11/6/1884 death you found, Merlin. Thank you.
Once again, thank you all for all your help. It is very much appreciated.
Julie
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Australia / For Better or Worse, Convict Lives Shaped by Transportation - JOSEPH TURVEY
« on: Tuesday 25 September 12 14:30 BST (UK) »
Hi
It's been a while since this book was mentioned and the old thread seems to have gone dead so I thought I would try re-posting in the hope that someone might have a copy.
I am looking for more info on JOSEPH TURVEY of Pershore, WOR who appears in this book. He was sent to Norfolk Island, Australia 13/5/1845 on board the David Malcolm for his part in the murder of a gamekeeper at the Croome Estate near Pershore. It appears to be a very sad story. His youngest son ended up in the workhouse after he was transported. Joseph sent a letter to his wife (an article appeared in the local paper about it) to say that he would send for her and the children just as soon as he could but I don't think he ever did. If anyone does have the book I wonder if they would be kind enough to tell me what it says about Joseph please? I think he died in a pauper institute in Newtown, Aus, in 1884.
Many thanks.
Julie
It's been a while since this book was mentioned and the old thread seems to have gone dead so I thought I would try re-posting in the hope that someone might have a copy.
I am looking for more info on JOSEPH TURVEY of Pershore, WOR who appears in this book. He was sent to Norfolk Island, Australia 13/5/1845 on board the David Malcolm for his part in the murder of a gamekeeper at the Croome Estate near Pershore. It appears to be a very sad story. His youngest son ended up in the workhouse after he was transported. Joseph sent a letter to his wife (an article appeared in the local paper about it) to say that he would send for her and the children just as soon as he could but I don't think he ever did. If anyone does have the book I wonder if they would be kind enough to tell me what it says about Joseph please? I think he died in a pauper institute in Newtown, Aus, in 1884.
Many thanks.
Julie