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Caernarvonshire / Re: Can anyone decipher thes place names please!
« on: Tuesday 27 February 24 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
Just to confuse things a bit! In 1902 a family names Jones (what else) lived in a tiny house called Parc in Carmel north of Talysarn, Parish of Llanllyfni.

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Ireland / Re: White, Stewart Fulton
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 15:44 GMT (UK)  »
Mandy, you asked which of Stewart's kids I descend from. The problem is an excess of Stewarts.

Stewart Fulton White b about 1805 had the following kids:
Stewart, Ann, Joseph, Jane, William Henry, plus a John and perhaps a James.
This Stewart (b 1834) had the following:
William Alfred Stewart White, Mary E.A. White, and Charlotte S. White.
William Alfred.. in turn produced:
Alfred (b 1911),Stewart (b 1909), David, Alice Eunice, and Jessie May.
I am the son of Alfred. To the best of my knowledge, there is no-one else alive from the Alfred generation. Although Stewart emigrated to Durban South Africa so that is uncertain.

To make it a bit clearer I have emailed a GEDCOM file to the email address on your pain management site. Presumably you have some geneology software that will allow you to view such a file.

HOWEVER. I first uploaded my tree to FamilyTreeDNA as a bare bones tree many years ago and it seems that someone has added a ton of stuff to it going back to 1722!!. It also needs a lot of work with surnames. I will slowly edit all that stuff.
The curious thing is that WASWhite married an Alice Anderson in Liverpool in 1921 who had descended from a bunch of McMurrays living in Port William Wigtown. So it comes full circle.

Now to go back to SFW. It is only my guesswork plus some slim supporting data that places him in NewtownStewart, Ireland. Yes Ireland somewhere but that does not help much if you want to push back further.

Do you have any evidence other than the suggestions on RootsChat that the family lived there??
Also you suggest a link to the leather trade going back to Wigtown. Where does that come from?
Over to you.

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Ireland / Re: White, Stewart Fulton
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 00:44 GMT (UK)  »
Mandy, this is quite an unexpected surprise!
Are you Amanda D. White who married Andrew Clothier in Runcorn in 1994?? You currently work in the pain management field??

I am cautious because Widnes/Runcorn appears several times in the odd branches of the White tree, mostly belonging to ne'er do wells.

My notes show that William Henry White was born 1845 in Langton Dorset. He married Annie Lees in Manchester on 12 April 1869.
Somehow they ended up in Australia with him working as an accountant of some type in Charters Towers, a town near Townsville. He died 5 February1884 and was buried in Aramac.
Billion Graves has his tombstone showing him to be a son of Stewart Fulton W, but there have been at least two corrections to the Billion Graves site so I am not certain what the final outcome was.

I also show that Stewart Fulton White had the following kids by his first wife:
Stewart, Ann, Joseph, Jane, William Henry, with the possibility of an additional John and a James.

I show Jane being born 30 November 1839 in Longfleet (Poole) Dorset.
I am descended from Stewart.


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Ireland / Re: White, Stewart Fulton
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 21:33 GMT (UK)  »
Amazing !! A response after 10 years.

Mandy, where do you fit into the Stewart Fulton Tree??

Not that I am very active on this tree but my working hypothesis is that the family were originally in Newton Stewart, near Wigtown, and the local Lord was a Fulton.
Fulton was granted lands in Northern Ireland after 1690 so long as he could fill them with tenants. So he persuaded a number of locals to move.
SF White is listed in the 1841 census claiming a father called John and he was a farmer in Ireland.
I remember seeing a list dated about 1830 showing a Humphrey White in Newtownstewart Ireland with the occupation of shoemaker. I thought at the time that we do not have Humphreys in my family so that must be another White family.

This might tie in with your leather worker thoughts.
Note that the parish was Ardstraw but that covered a fair area including the small town of Newtownstewart.

Be aware and wary of a Junie43 researching this area as she has been quite unreliable.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mind your own business…
« on: Tuesday 29 August 23 14:35 BST (UK)  »
Regarding a trip to the loo, a posh Oxford girl I knew used the phrase “I am just going to turn my bicycle round”. It took me a while to figure it out.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpudlian nonsense prose
« on: Thursday 09 February 23 15:39 GMT (UK)  »
We have two threads here, the skipping/nonsense songs and the memories of Scouse cuisine.

I was born in Glasgow and we moved down (in the World?) to Liverpool when I was about 7. The Scouse foods I remember were conny-onny butties or their variant a slab of bread smeared with lard and then a light dusting of cocoa. Why cocoa I have no idea, probably my father could steal it. On Sundays or for special occasions we had boiled mince on mash. It tasted good at the time!

Regarding skipping songs, here was me with the only song I knew being Coulter’s Candy, which is something you cannot get out of your head and drives mothers mad. I then learned the Catholic/Protestant songs which curiously did not seem to exist in Glasgow.

One nasty example is:

“Holy Mary, Mother of God
I hope you marry a big fat Prod.
Holy Mary, Mother of Grace
Let me spit in a Catholic’s face.”

It has a wonderful cadence and you can easily imagine the skipping rope going round with kids jumping in singing the refrain.
The kids didn’t know what they were saying which just goes to show that this stuff is learned behaviour.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Lead mining in Llanferres Denbigh 1800's
« on: Thursday 28 July 22 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Purely as an aside, during my misspent youth I spent a lot of time exploring the old lead mines around Maeshafn. Later I wrote an article for the Ninnau, the North American newspaper for Welsh ex-pats. Here is a section of that article:

"....The sign shown on the top of the page shows a Miners Arms at Maeshafn. This is in Denbighsire near the border with Flintshire in the far North East of the country. It marks the center of a huge lead mining area which extends from the northern coast down to Caergwrle with Halkyn Mountain being its centerpoint. There is a Miners Arms for sale in Meliden if anyone is interested! Walking in the countryside around Maeshafn and Gwernymynydd can be quite tricky as there are dozens of open airshafts for the old lead mines.

Sometimes it is not appreciated how old these mining areas are. OK we know that Parys Mountain in Anglesey was mined for at least a thousand years before the Romans came, likewise the copper mines on the Great Orme in Llandudno, but the Maeshafn area was also mined before the Romans.

Several lead ingots from Roman times have been discovered stamped with a code and the name “Decangi”, which is the Roman term for the Celtic tribe that lived in the North East between the Clwyd and the Dee.
Lead was very important in those days. The Romans were really into bathing so they needed lead water pipes and lead lined baths so they could soak. Roman women used lead pigments for makeup. Lead acetate, being quite sweet, was added to wine in huge quantities. But, lead is quite poisonous with long term exposure and it is no wonder that the Emperors went mad.

As an aside and in spite of all the evidence, it is common to find these old lead mines dammed up near their entrances with iron waterpipes serving to supply drinking water to the local rural population. Much of this was financed by the Ruabon District Council within their area!   
..."

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This is a tool for setting the angle on saw blades. Place the appropriate notch over the tooth and bend to give you the right kerf setting. It can also be used as a thickness gauge for sheet metal.

Nothing particularly military about it and very common in the tool box of cabinet makers.

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Dianacanada,
I am a Fairbairn on my mother’s side (born in Glasgow and living near Toronto) so your post caught my interest.

If you haven’t done so already you must take a look at the One Name Study managed by Lorna Henderson (in NZ!). You can find it at

www.fairbairn.lornahen.com

It looks like all of them originated near Kelso Scotland and spread around the World from there. Specifically check the many lineages she documents.

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