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This is a follow up to my query of April of this year.  I want to thank you all for your help.  I did go to Llansainffraid in June of this year and to the library in Oswestry where the people were extremely helpful and kind.  A very kind volunteer from the library searched after I had left and found what I believe is a record of my William being born in Wykey, Shropshire to Thomas and Mary Edwards.  I tend to believe this is possible as he returned there to work when he was married and had a family.  I am guessing there was a family connection that led Thomas Edwards there to work himself.  Perhaps I will find that Mary Edwards died there and that would explain a return to the family at Tyn yr Iwen for help with raising the boy. 

With the help of a couple who live in Llanerch Emrys now, I was actually taken to the farm Tyn yr Iwen which still exists as a significant farm of sheep and goats.  Perhaps this is the one that Jon mentioned earlier.  The name seems to mean White House by the Yew Trees.  There is still a Yew tree in the front yard and the house overlooks a valley which is actually the acreage for the farm.  The road to this farm comes off the main road from Llansainffraid to New Inn and is south of the Tanat River, but it winds for quite a way to the west and then we took a turn south and down a steep hill.  I would not have found it myself as the grasses by the road were overgrown and the road was terribly narrow.  The lady, Shirley Davis, who currently lives in the home was very gracious and took us on a tour of the old parts of the house with the thick walls and the additions that have been built over the past 175 years!!!  It was astounding. 

While I remain without soundproof evidence that the James Edwards family is mine, I feel that it must be and that the bits I have tied together do make sense.  Stopping for help at a little house along the road was a move brought on by frustration and intuition.  But generous and helpful people were there and they took me to the farm. 

And so I am several steps forward in my search because of this good people of this site, the volunteers at the Oswestry Library and the kind people in Llanerch Emrys.  Thank you all.

Susan

Hello again
Thank you Jon Davis.  That is very help information about the bridge and New Inn.  Would you know if there is a burial ground in this little town, Llanerch Emrys?

I had not considered the Oswestry Library but can certainly figure out where that is and try to get there.  It seems to be only a little more than a half hour from Llanfyllin where I will be staying.  I am surprised that it has records as it is in Shropshire, correct?  I had already intended to go to Ruyton X Towns as that is where William and his family settled on a farm for many years. 

Thank you for the further piece about the marriage.  Without definite information about the birth of William, and who his parents were, I am only trying to "tape" together bits that seem to make the best fit.  William went on to have many children and it was only way down the line that he named one Thomas but that fellow was called Thomas Morris which would have been a combination of both grandfather's names.  And none were called James. 

Hello Osprey
Thank you for your efforts.
As far as I can tell, they were Calvinistic Methodists.  I agree with the death record for James and had found that one.  I have not found the birth of the daughter, Elizabeth nor of James Jr. nor have I found where he was in 1841, possibly working as a labourer on a farm nearby.  I guess with the death of Thomas, James was then the eldest son who inherited this farm.  But he did not keep William to help him run it, which raises other questions.
 
I have also found the marriage of a Thomas Edwards to Mary Williams in 1833, his death in 1836 and hers in 1834, which may have been the sequelae to child birth.  There is no evidence at any time of siblings for William and, while these are all assumptions, they fit together.  Some of this comes from the LDS Family Search site.

Because I only know the area vaguely, having been there in 2012, I do not know the language and it becomes even more complicated as I try to follow their movements from farm to farm - William married Anne Morris from Llanrhaidhr ym Mochnant whose records are kept in an completely different location, even though it is just "over the hill".  For example, where is Llanerch Emrys?  Is it an intersection of roads near Llansainffraid?  and would a postman know how to find Tyn yr Iwen? 

I have tried Find My Past, but these records are not showing up - I gather that the Methodist preacher took his records in his satchel as he moved from parish to parish, and that they may or may not have ever been recorded in a more official manner, but may have often disappeared. 

This is why I was hoping to actually go to the spot where people know the names and places and where the existing Montgomeryshire records are stored - which I believe is in Llandidrod Wells and that seems not to be accessible to me in June when I come.   And so, is there any other location where Montgomeryshire records might have been kept?

I always appreciate the effort that people like you make to help out perfect strangers.  Thank you.

Stormybay

Thanks, "hanes teulu"

I will add that latest.
Stormybay

As to these children of John Cade - I think they were in the workhouse for a time, but discharged in 1800 which would make some sense if Elizabeth were a widow and she then married George Colley. 

But then I wonder why...if Luke Charles Cade was a successful grocer and upstanding member of the church.  He also served as a juror at the Old Bailey.  His wife, also called Elizabeth Cade, died in 1800, so perhaps he was struggling himself. 

I can find bits and pieces that connect the offspring of Christiana Cade Woolnough with Robert's children and there are connections that fit quite strongly between the offspring of George Cade and Robert's children.  The big problem is confidently connecting John, the father, with the Luke Charles Cade family, except their proximity and the Paradise Row address. 

Speculation, such an important word.