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Lanarkshire / Francis McKenna B August 10th 1894 Shettleston, Glasgow Where did he die?
« on: Monday 01 May 23 07:20 BST (UK)  »
Looking for some help on this one please if anyone can shed light
Francis was from the Shettleston area of Glasgow. There was a story that he was killed in the troop train crash at Quintinshill near Gretna Green on 22 May 1915 but the memorial for this sad disaster does not share his name as a casualty. He has lost his life during WW1 given the family was given the death Penny as a memorial and recognition of his services in War .. I cannot see any detail of this Francis McKenna and wondered if anyone could offer a clue to his fate ?

Have looked at Scotlands People but dont see any alignment to any Francis McKenna in any listing of service deaths ..

Thanking in advance for any help
Scott Morland



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Lanarkshire / Re: John Robertson S/244642 Understand a Gorbals boy
« on: Friday 09 December 22 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Friday 09 December 22 12:13 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Scott_M on Monday 14 November 22 18:12 GMT (UK)
Scotland's people record I am disappointed in as it is basic and no alignment to his roots or an address
Scotland's People is a part of the National Records of Scotland (NRS). Its specific remit is the maintenance of birth, marriage and death records of people who were born, married or died in Scotland, or who were living in Scotland on the date of a census.

Military archives are not part of the holdings of the NRS. They are generally held either by the UK National Archives or by individual military units. This is why Scotland's People doesn't have detailed records of soldiers' careers.

It does have records of the deaths of many military personnel with Scottish connections who died outwith Scotland, but it only has the information supplied by the military authorities and forwarded to the NRS by them as it has no other means of formally collecting information about events that did not occur in Scotland. The military authorities, like the General Register Office in England and Wales, do not include in death records the names of the parents of military personnel who died furth of Scotland.

Great supporting piece to clarify for others - Thanks

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Lanarkshire / Re: John Robertson S/244642 Understand a Gorbals boy
« on: Friday 09 December 22 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Monical, Yes I was meaning to update this thread.. I am recently connected to the family based in Oz ..Adelaide ..
John looks to have been the oldest sibling with 3 sisters and 2 brothers ..
The family in Oz dont seem to have much detail .. but we have teamed up.. It was really nice to share the story with them of my Grandfather and his connection to John .. The letter shared was appreciated..
Great idea on reaching out for any service records .. Hoping to find other family members via the siblings .. would be lovely to find a picture ..


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Armed Forces / Re: Pvte John Robertson 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o
« on: Monday 14 November 22 21:53 GMT (UK)  »

The 55th Infantry Brigade, along with the rest of the 18th Division, was sent to Singapore in 1942 where it surrendered to the Imperial Japanese Army in the short but violent Battle of Singapore. The men of the brigade would spend the next three years as Japanese prisoners in harsh and degrading imprisonment.

Quoted from Wikipedia see link for a better understanding
"The Fall of Singapore, also known as the Battle of Singapore,[c] took place in the South–East Asian theatre of the Pacific War. The Empire of Japan captured the British stronghold of Singapore, with fighting lasting from 8 to 15 February 1942. Singapore was the foremost British military base and economic port in South–East Asia and had been of great importance to British interwar defence strategy. The capture of Singapore resulted in the largest British surrender in its history."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Singapore

I would be of the opinion that John was caught up in this conflict and became a POW after the 15th Feb 1942.

Given he was being transported in a POW transport ship September 1944 that would see John subjected to abt 2.5 years of captivity under very harsh conditions (Like many others)

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Lanarkshire / Re: John Robertson S/244642 Understand a Gorbals boy
« on: Monday 14 November 22 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shaun.. I have added a bit more detail of John Death registration and possible birth record.. Trying to see if there are better archives of his military career and the death registration for service men .. Scotland's people record I am disappointed in as it is basic and no alignment to his roots or an address .... Interested in any historian on Gorbals area, Florence street ... ?? Tonies??

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Armed Forces / Re: Pvte John Robertson 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o
« on: Monday 14 November 22 18:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi team thanks for the details shared.. and the kind wishes ..
I wonder if there is more detail on John Robertson's military career.
I am disappointed with the death registration of military personnel in Scotland's death records. I attach Johns death registration and it is detailed with no alignment to his roots / address in Scotland..
I wonder if there are any records through military archives that shed some more direct alignment to his roots .. Are there 2nd WW enlistment records to pick up? I also attach after viewing clues what is a fair possible birth registration .. A bit of a clue is the age v the number of John Robertsons and alignment to HutchesonTown / Gorbals area in Glasgow. Johns best friend (My grandfather was 253 Florence Street).. Hanging out at the corner ... ? Tonies?
Would be grateful if there are any military archives that can shed more light and help me confirm correct family alignment of this John Robertson ..


Thanks

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Armed Forces / Re: Pvte John Robertson 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o
« on: Monday 14 November 22 09:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Alan, appreciate very much that share

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Lanarkshire / John Robertson S/244642 Understand a Gorbals boy
« on: Monday 14 November 22 02:59 GMT (UK)  »
Born Glasgow
Royal Army Service Corps
Japanese POW
Died Age: 24
Date of Death: 12th Sept 1944

Place of Death: Kachidoki Maru - Sunk North East of Hainan Island off China

A letter that my Grandfather kept till he died and passed on to my father.. meant a lot to him.. Pvte John Robertson.. Transcribed - In memory of a dear friend of David Ross Morland.. John Robertson last letter to his pal, my father. Pte J Robertson, 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o APO 1635.
Dear David, Well old pal this is one New Year we won't be able to have our usual fun at the corner but I don't suppose I will be the only one missing. I will be a long time before we have more drunken rabbles at Tonies on a Saturday night. For I expect to be gone for a couple of years.. "The letter damaged goes on to say" . Tell Johnny in the shop I will try to stay sober ..................... Hoping you are all well at home, tell your mother, father, and sister I was asking for them and Tom and his new wife I wish them the best of luck. Well David I wish you and your people and the lad a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year and hope to be back with you all soon I will write again soon and hoping to hear from you soon. tell them the best of luck to you all. Your Old Pal John... RIP John to you and all your comrades who perished.. 
Additional Text, John was drowned whilst captive on the Kibitsu Maru, Sunk by the American Submarine The Pampanito. 900 all British prisoners. Over 500 were drowned. Convoy HI72 to the best of my knowledge sailed from Singapore on the 4th Sept 1944 and the Kibitsu was sunk on the 12th in the North China Sea. John Robertson's name lives on at the Kranji War and Military Cemetery Singapore.     

My father looked after the letter that the transcription above supports.. I now have that letter ..
I suspect that John Robertson was the son of James Robertson & Georgina nee Burns (Married Oct 31st 1919) - May be wrong 

If there is a family descendant would love to share a little piece of John with them.. My grandfather David Ross Morland carried this letter till his end and never forgot his good friend John Robertson ...

Any help welcome.. I actually have posted this in the military topic page.. I share in this topic page given John was a Glasgow boy and frequented in the Gorbals area / Florence street .. a fair clue


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Armed Forces / Pvte John Robertson 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 04:48 GMT (UK)  »
A letter that my Grandfather "David Ross Morland" kept till he died and passed on to my father..meant a lot to him "David Eaglesham Morland" .. Meant a lot to my father..  I have the letter now..
The transcription was actually from my father and some detail he shared to the best of his knowledge .. Hes since passed on  (There may be some errors but possible clues) I wish  to understand the facts better of the gentleman's fate and actually if he belonged to a family. This subject relates to the area of Glasgow / Gorbals / Southside "Florence Street"
If there is a family out there that John links to I would want to share this letter ..

Have attached the original letter in two parts
I really thank anyone who can support on this subject to advance the detail and help understand the facts better .. If there is a basic family history that supports this gentleman

Pvte John Robertson.. Transcribed - In memory of a dear friend of David Ross Morland.. John Robertson last letter to his pal, my father. Pte J Robertson, 8/244642 55th Infantry Brigade Group Coy. RASC D Platoon c/o APO 1635. Dear David, Well old pal this is one New Year we won't be able to have our usual fun at the corner but I don't suppose I will be the only one missing. I will be a long time before we have more drunken rabbles at Tonies on a Saturday night. For I expect to be gone for a couple of years.. "The letter damaged goes on to say" . Tell Jonnie in the shop I will try to stay sober ..................... Hoping you are all well at home, tell your mother, father, and sister I was asking for them and Tom and his new wife I wish them the best of luck. Well David I wish you and your people and the lad a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year and hope to be back with you all soon I will write again soon and hoping to hear from you soon. tell them the best of luck to you all. Your Old Pal John...

The following personal message my father actually shared ... RIP John to you and all your comrades who perished..  Additional Text best of my fathers understandings , John was drowned whilst captive on the Kibitsu Maru, Sunk by the American Submarine The Pampanito. 900 all British prisoners. Over 500 were drowned. Convoy HI72 to the best of my knowledge sailed from Singapore on the 4th Sept 1944 and the Kibitsu was sunk on the 12th in the North China Sea. John Robertson's name lives on at the Kranji War and Military Cemetery Singapore.     

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