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Northumberland / Re: Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses
« on: Tuesday 21 August 12 07:01 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for taking part in this.

Isaac Christian Moses, b. nov. 1801, is halfbrother of Isaac Christopher Moses, born out of wedlock. He moved to Trondheim and married there. No children in the marriage.

Like explained earlier, a probate states that Isaac Christopher Moses left Trondheim for England appr. 1825. He may have returned from his first journey in 1823. If so, his destination may not have been Newcastle, this second time. His father John Moses, establishes himself as a shipchandler in Limehouse/London. I have a separate posting in Middlesex for him.

It has also been speculated in a possible marriage for Isaac Christopher Moses in England.

Regards
Tom Kaasen

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Northumberland / Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses
« on: Sunday 19 August 12 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello
Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses was born Nov. 18 1804 in Kristiansund,  Norway. His parents were John Moses, b. 1781 and Anna Holck Tordenskjold, b. 1782, both Kristiansund. I have had discussions with others on the Cumberland-forum, regarding the Moses-family in Kristiansund, who came from both Cumberland and Northumberland. This thread holds a lot of background information.
Se the thread here.

I have a shipmanifest that shows a departure for Newcastle 1823. A cargoship, "Magdalena & the two daughters (Mgd.lena & 2 D)" from Kristiansund, with 2 passengers; John Allan (Scotsman living in Kristiansund) and Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses. Moses in Kristiansund were related to Thomas Moses, b. 1724 (of Durham) as far as I know now.

I'm looking for any information on ships to and from Norway  in this period. There is a note in a later probate (1849), that Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses left Norway (Trondheim) for England  in 1825 and that his whereabouts is unknown at that time (1849).

I'm interested in any information on the subject.

I have attached the photo of the shipmanifest

Regards
Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 15:02 BST (UK)  »
I find this intersting too. As explained earlier, my main goal is to find descendants of "young" John Moses, but it gets interesting to see a wider picture.
The reason I think there has to be a Scottish connection, is that when "old" John Moses settled in Kristiansund, there were already several Scotsmen running prosperous businesses. Significant names are: John Ramsay, the first to settle in Kristiansund, William Gordon of Cullen, George Leslie of Banff, John Ord and Walter Miln. "Old" John Moses went into business with some of them.

Ramsay, Gordon and Leslie are held to be the real founders of the clipfish-industry of Norway (Bacalao -salted and sundried codfish)

Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 13:52 BST (UK)  »
Maybe I misunderstood.

IF the Berwick-upon-Tweed thesis has something to it, I think that these brothers

Matthew Moses, b. appr. 1694
Samuel Moses, b. appr. 1703
John Moses, b. 1713 ("old" John)
Thomas Moses, b. 1724

may have been born there; at least Matthew, Samuel and John (it is John who is said to be born in Berwick-upon-Tweed).

Thomas, b. 1752 was from Newcastle (Even though I guess

It seems Samuel, b. appr. 1703, moved to Cumberland/Fenton and established a living there.


Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 11:52 BST (UK)  »
Thank you again, Geordie Mag!

"My" Isaac, b. 1738, is from Fenton. I may have mentioned it earlier, that I saw the template for the engraving on his tombstone, at the National Archive in Trondheim, Norway. It read " Isaac Moses of Fenton..." His date of birth was 29. June 1738. He established himself in Kristiansund appr. 1768. He may of course have settled in Fenton before the emigration to Norway, but I think someone found a record of his baptizing in Hayton by Brampton.

Tom Kaasen


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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Tuesday 01 May 12 22:08 BST (UK)  »
Here is references to documents on "Old" John's marriage to Margareth Etherington etc.
I have found this on Ancestry and I don't know which archive they reside in. It is definately "old" John, as there are references to "late of Christian-sound, merchant, now of Kingston upon Hull" and "Thomas Moses, George Moses and Isaac Moses at Christiansound".

Ref No. D/X 649/193
 24 January 1763
 (1) John Moses of Kingston upon Hull, merchant
 (2) Margaret Etherington of Kingston upon Hull, spinster
 (3) Henry Etherington of Kingston upon Hull, Esquire; John Porter and Thomas Wilkinson of Kingston upon Hull, Esquires Articles of Agreement for the marriage settlement of (1) and (2). Each party bringing in £5000 to be settled on (3) in trust for (1) and (2) and their issue as specified.
 
Ref No. D/X 649/194
 Consent of John and Margaret Moses to the sale of stock by the trustees of their marriage settlement, 6 March 1766
 (1 paper)
 
Ref No. D/X 649/195
 Probate of the will of John Moses, late of Christian-sound, merchant, now of Kingston upon Hull, dated 2 February 1771 devising: Old Park, Broadwood and Stanner Close and other lands in the parishes of Wolsingham, Stanhope and Lanchester; Kings Meadow and the fishery in Northumberland, near Newcastle, upon trust for his daughter Jane Moses as specified with remainder to the issue of his nephew George Moses and cousin Thomas Moses of Newcastle upon Tyne. Codicil devising his house at Ferraby, Yorkshire to his wife for life, 24 April 1773
 [The testator drew up the above will himself and expressed considerable distrust and dislike of lawyers and more particularly his wife's kinsmen and his nephew George. There are stringent conditions regarding marriage in general, continued residence in England, marriage to women of English nationality and an obligation to take the surname Moses incumbent upon the tenant in possesion of the settled estates]
 (parchment, 3 membranes)
 
Ref No. D/X 649/196
 Volume containing:
 The will of John Moses of Kingston upon Hull, Esquire 2 February 1771; queries and answers of counsel regarding the terms of the will; various estate accounts, lists of rents etc., miscelleaneous bonds, agreements, promissory notes; the will of Jane Etherington of Kingston upon Hull, spinster, dated 13 June 1766; inventories; surrenders of property in the Manor of Wolsingham miscellaneous correspondance between Thomas Moses at Wolsingham, the Rev. John Coxon at Sunderland, Henry Etherington at Kingston upon Hull, John Philipson at Broadwood, Thomas Moses, George Moses and Isaac Moses at Christiansound, Norway etc; bill of complaint and answers in John Coxon, clerk, and others v Thomas Moses of Newcastle upon Tyne and others, in Chancery, 1773 - 1783
 (1 volume, vellum bound)
 
Ref No. D/X 649/197
 Hawthorn estate rentals 1774-87 examined at the request of Sir Henry Etherington, Bart. with regard to money invested under the marriage settlement of John Moses, 24 June 1787
 (1 volume, card bound)
 
Ref No. D/X 649/198-199
 Copy of the case concerning the will of John Moses with the opinions of R. Osborne and Thomas Plumer of Lincoln's Inn thereupon, 17 November 1800 - 1 January 1801
 (2 papers)
 
Ref No. D/X 649/200
 'An account of the receipts of rents and for other effects late belonging to John Moses, Esquire, and payments therefrom,' n.d. [1770's - 1780's]
 (1 booklet)

Comments on the documents about his will seem to understate his strong mind/character, also found in letters to his nephews.

Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for "digging" in this matter.

I have received bits of information about the Moses family in Fenton, early 18th century.

As we know of three nephews, of "old" John, named Moses, he must have had at least three brothers.

My informant has noted these 4  brothers:

Samuel Moses, b. appr. 1703
John Moses, b. 1713 ("old" John)
Thomas Moses, b. 1724
Matthew Moses, b. appr. 1694

In Kristiansund it is a "fact" that "old" John Moses was born in Berwick-upon-Tweed and that he lived in Newcastle prior to moving to Kristiansund.

I think it's correct that the brother, who lived in Fenton, was Samuel. He may have been born appr. 1703 and may have died 9th. Oct. 1766.
My informant has noted 4 children to Samuel and wife Mary?(supposed to have been buried 25. March 1781):

Anne Moses, b. 20. May 1723 Hayton by Brampton
John Moses, b. 12. Oct. 1724 Hayton by Brampton
Samuel Moses, b. 1. May 1732, Hayton by Brampton
Isaac Moses, b. 29. June 1738, Hayton by Brampton (the one going to Kristiansund.

Isaac Moses names one of his sons Samuel in Norway.

When "old" John returns to England, appr. 1764, he marries Margareth Etherington and settles in Kingston-upon-Hull. They have one daughter born to them; Mary Jane Moses, b. appr.1766. Mary Jane Moses marries Aubrey Beauclerck, 6th Duke of Albans, 1788. The couple has one daughter born to them; Mary Beauclerck, b. 1791. Mary Jane dies 1800. Lady Mary Beauclerck married George Coventry, 8th Earl of Coventry. She died 1845 in Italy.

Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Tuesday 24 April 12 10:40 BST (UK)  »
Nice offer!

I have a little more information on the family-structure in Newcastle. I have to "tidy it" a bit before I pass it on, but I will certainly do that.
I'm also curious about whether there are any Scottish roots, as the Moses' in Kristiansund did lots of business with Scottish merchants in Kristiansund.

Tom Kaasen

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Cumberland / Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Tuesday 24 April 12 08:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you

So much for that theory....

Do you know the mid-nineteenth century Limehouse?

Tom Kaasen

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