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Hi Janette,

About Woodbine in France, you won't find any with this spelling and it is necessary to give more explanations.
My grand mother always told us we came from Ireland in mid XVII c. and our original name was Woodbine ( now Houdebine).
A priest in Anjou of the same name (not the same branch) did some researches and thought the same.
Finally I met another Houdebine doing some genealogy researches (also from another branch of the name) who told me ... the same story !
This is why I tried to find as possible a link between the two countries, thinking settlement in France was findable for this period.
This sounded well as distinct people were telling the same and that the name variation could be easily explained.
Names were written before XIX c. as they were pronunced.
So Woodbine in french would be heard as Hoodbine (there is niearly no name using W in old french except when coming from northern countries (Belgium, Netherland, Germany ...)
So Woodbine / Hoodbine was (probably) writting as pronunced... in french as Houdbine, Hudbine, Houdebine, Oudbine as so on.

What I found is a little bit different:
- Settlement is older than told as I found people in 1560 indicating it may be existing since 100y war (or earlier )
- a main settlement in Northern Anjou where many english settlements are know during/after the 100y war
- in the same area/same period I found many english/irish names also existing
- 2 branches of the name in France as i told you including one smaller and later: the second is about 50-100 years later and seem to follow the british conquest in south of Paris (from Tours to Montargis) (supposed to be in relation biut no proof)

At that time, I found NO other branch not in relation with these two, even when they moved in Indochina, Algeria ...

About your ancestors, if you have at least the name of the parent borned in France and a period, I may be able to give you some data and/or some links for your own reseaches.

If you need more information you may write me at yhoudebine at gmail dot com

yvan

Thanks for the link moderator !
 

for those interested by the Irish / English settlements in Anjou, I found some interesting names in french archives (available on the web):
Butler O'Madden, O'Connor, Island, James, Ham, Illand, Alland, Blind, Armstrong, Harry, Hartmann, Horny, Davy, Blackstoch, Jarry, Killer, Killial, Helfisher

these are only those I found by chance and having not been much transformed by french pronunciation (remember that they usually wrote the names as they heard them...like mine Woobdine -> Houdebine)


If someone is interested, contact me to have some archives web links.

Regards,

Yvan H.

Thanks again Dermo !

Unfortunately I did not find other way ti continue my research as no archivs in Ireland seem easily available regarding 15th-17th centuries.

It is really disappointing to be locked that way as I really wanted to find a proof of our Irish ascendancy.
So I believe I will be stopped in France just before if I do not find any solution.

thanks a lot anyway for your help !!

and if any has some clues or ideas, please email me at *

Yvan

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Nobody has some information?
I spent many jours on the Internet and did not find anything but may be is there here some people from Kilkenny knowing a few ?
It would be really helpful for me as I am stopped in my researches.


Yvan