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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Italy: British subject born there
« on: Saturday 22 December 12 20:23 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your posting. Unfortunately I have already written this off as a lost cause. There are so many inconsistencies - deliberate or accidental - that the family is impossible to tie down.
George

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Italy: British subject born there
« on: Monday 01 October 12 10:42 BST (UK)  »
Now why didn't I think of Ellis Island??? I had found Arthur Hill Druce  but had not made the connection, even though in the 1901 census there are 2 Fortescues as well as Annie Druce living with Mr and Mrs Crussall. Mrs Crussall is Annie's and Arthur's sister.
I will follow up all you have found for me, and if I don't come back to this thread, please accept my sincere thanks for your help.
George

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Italy: British subject born there
« on: Sunday 30 September 12 13:39 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply. Actually, the problem is much more complicated than I first indicated.

The child concerned was Violet Winterfeldt, ostensibly the daughter of Hans Winterfeldt and Louise Druce, who married some time between 9 December 1903 and 17 January 1906. However, in her Will, Louise states that she [they?] adopted Violet, whose original surname was Fortescue.

Hans was a wealthy international banker born in Berlin. He moved to New York in 1899 and became an American citizen on 8 July 1909.  Prior to that date, Louise was usually shown as German in Passenger Lists, where they appeared frequently. Violet was also said to be a German National on her first appearance in a Passenger List. Once Hans was naturalised, they were always shown as American.

There are no records of Hans or Louise arriving in New York from Italy; it is always from the U.K. or France. It is sheer speculation on my part, but could the fact that Hans apparently failed to father any children in any of his three marriages be significant?

I have been unable to find Violet’s birth under any of her 3 possible names, including in British Consular records. Nor have I been able to find a birth record for Louise Druce. Louise also mentions an Annie Druce of Huntingdon, England, in her Will, which, interestingly, appoints an English solicitor as executor and trustee even though it was drawn up in Paris and deemed to be subject to New York law. This is why I believe Louise to be English by birth.

I am afraid this is all rather long-winded, but I have condensed it as much as possible without omitting any necessary facts. So, as before, any suggestions as to how I should proceed would be most welcome.

George

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Italy: British subject born there
« on: Saturday 29 September 12 12:24 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find the birth name of a female born in Italy (allegedly) on 2 January 1905. Her mother was probably English but could have been American by marriage and she could have been registered under any 1 of 3 different surnames. I do not know where in Italy she was born. Consular records have produced nothing. I know it sounds impossible, but if anyone can suggest a way forward I should be extremely grateful.

George

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