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Hi Blue,

Thanks so much for that. Alas that proves it's not my man, born 1808 not 1781.

But I bet there is a connection given name, location and profession.

I think I do have a relevant record for my George, BT112, gives birth place Seaton Sluice and age 57, which I think puts him bang on for 1781 birth.

Out of interest, how did you find that record? I thought I had gone through them all on searching by name and filtering for the relevant records.

Regards (and thanks again for the kind help),

John

Yes, happened to me like that on a totally unrelated line to the present conundrum. Solved a major family mystery as to why repeated people including my grandfather had a middle name of Mowbray.

This naming thing can occur as far back as Great Grandmothers maiden name, which I came across only 2 days ago, doing research in my own tree.

Sometimes a curse, sometimes a relief, but in my case, a welcome relief.

Steve.

Just to throw this in. The first born of Charles Panter and Elizabeth Swannell was I believe Mary, born 1763. She died 1843. I have her death certificate under her married name of Nichols. Age of death 80. So a pretty good match. Elizabeth Pantrler (nee Swannell's) will of 1812 mentions several children including a Richard Tyrrell Panter (who actually I have yet to find a birth for) but also a Barnabus born 1782 and most telling, her daughter Mary Nichols. Now I come to talk about this (it really does help to chew the fat) that would seem to suggest a continuity for Charles Panter and Elizabeth Swannell. The only fly in the ointment is that I have a second Mary born to them in 1774, and wouldn't you believe it, a Mary Tyrrell Panter! So it seems a bit odd that we have two Mary's who would both have been alive at the same time. Given the gap between them, I can't believe the two are getting transposed.

So complicated. But thanks everyone for helping out, it really does help to be able to write this stuff down and get feedback.

That's a really interesting observation Mike. The Tyrrell middle names are a bit clumped. I had a vague idea there might have been two different famiilies involved, but it looks like quite a tight knit group of people and a pretty solid set of parish records, so had not gone much beyond filing the idea in the back of my mind. I'll have to revisit the idea.

Thanks

John

Thanks for the kind replies. Funnily enough I was in the Aylesbury record just last week and looked at many of the marriage bonds, including the one for Charles Panter and Elizebeth Swannell. Lovely documents, and the this one in particular included a letter written by my elusive Joseph Swannell giving permission for the marriage.

The record cited on Familysearch is a son of Joseph Swannell, so Joseph Jnr, as he is referred to elsewhere in documents.

Thanks again.

John