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Thank you aghadowey and rittrock for your information. I'll look into these sources.
I have not been looking into the Bamford and Douglas connections for some time.

Regards,
Bill

Recently I've been browsing through DixieDee's superb list of Carnmoney Presbyterian baptisms 1799-1867, to see if I can recognize any more names and make further connexions to follow up.

In doing so, I also ran across three entries for a couple I've identified in my family tree, who baptised three sons in the 1857 -1861 time frame. I have confirming records for the three baptisms. In viewing the records here I've noticed that in the first of the three baptismal entries for this family, the father 's surname is misspelt in this list. So I'd like to point this out for revision.

The three entries are as follows:

For:

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We have:

1857 CARNMONEY PRESBYTERIAN BAPTISMS

July 14  William James      (Henry Loughlin/Jenny Craig)

Rather than Loughlin, Henry's name is spelt Loughran in the Registation of Marriage and other records.


As for the two correct entries we have:

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Carnmoney Presbyterian baptisms for 1859

Jan.18  Jo. Alex. Wilson      (Henry Loughran/Jane Craig)

Here the surnames are spelt correctly. The child's full given name was John Alexander Wilson Loughran. This raises interesting questions  about connections between the Alexander and Wilson families and the Loughran and Craig families in the vicinity of Carnmoney at that time.

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1861 baptisms in Carnmoney Presbyterian Church

Feb.28  Robert Henry      (Henry Loughran/Janet Craig)

Here again, the names are spelt correctly.

I realize this may be only a small matter, but DixieDee's lists are a fine piece of work and anything we can do to contribute to them is well worth the effort. They well merit study by anyone seeking ancestors in the Carnmoney area.

Regards,

Willim

Renewed Greetings,

 I've finally returned after an extended absence. My attention to my genealogical studies had been badly distracted by some of the vagaries of life. But now I'm able to get back to them. It's been a while so I'm in the process of re-familiarizing myself with where I left off. I unfortunately lost some of my recent tree work too and need to do some more digging to reformulate it.

 I'm still seeking my Beggs and Crawford lineages in Ballycor and adjacent parishes. My focus of attention here has been  David Beggs and Sarah Crawford, and their offspring. David is still much of a puzzle. He is traceable in some documents, but I can find no birth or baptismal records even though the 1901 Census of Ireland records his birthplace as County Antrim. And more disconcerting or maybe more intriguing, is that his birth year is so inconsistently reported. In his marriage registration, he is said to be of Full Age on the day of the marriage, 12 June, 1874. This indicates he was born prior to 12 June, 1853. In the Census of Ireland of 1901 he reports his age to be 50 implying a birth year of 1851. While in the 1911 Census of Ireland he says his age is 63 implying a birth year of 1848. His civil registration of death estimates his birth year to be about 1850. The first record of his birth I encountered was in his Family Group Record (which included his wife Sarah and most of his daughters) at familysearch.org when I first started searching for him in 2007. There his birth year was recorded as 1856 and I'd basically adopted this year in my own records and puzzled about the others.

 What all this seems to suggest is that since he appears to not have had his birth officially recorded in the civil records by his family, and that he was not baptized, his mother may have been unmarried at the time and living a home with her farm family, and they chose not to publically acknowledge a birth out of wedlock. And then in subsequent years his purported birth date was fudged to make it fit in with his mother's subsequent marriage date.

 There are indications that his mother was the Janet Robinson of Ballyalbana who married James Beggs on 27 November, 1854 at the Ballyeaston First Presbyterian Church. They went on to have four children: Agnes Beggs, born 1855; Jane Murdoch Beggs, born 1859; William Beggs, born 1861 and; James Beggs, born 1864. These dates are all derived from the Baptismal Records of the Ballyeaston First Presbyterian Church. Being that Agnes was born about 10 months after the marriage and there is a three year plus gap before the next child, Jane, is born, there is a convenient gap to place David's birth. Hence the familysearch.org family-reported birthdate of 1856. This may have been the family's traditional birthdate for him but David may have lapsed by the time of the census of 1911 to a more accurate 1848 when he reported his birth year on that year's census form.

 I realize that I'm doing a lot of speculating here on the basis of circumstantial evidence, but I'm wondering if anyone has any information that can confirm, correct or elaborate the scenario I've pictured here. Is it plausible, is it likely, can it be confirmed or disconfirmed? Any thoughts?
 
 Regards,

 Bill

   “You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from.”   Cormac McCarthy

 In point of clarification to my earlier post, although I have not yet found specific marriage linkages between my two ancestral families and the surnames of interest, I have an interesting lead.

 In my first post 2 September, above I said:

 According to the Register of Marriages David and Sarah were wed the 12th of June, 1874 in Raloo Presbyterian Church. He was Full Age and she was 19. They both resided in the Ballyalbana (so spelt) townland at the time of marriage. Their fathers were respectively: James Beggs, labourer and Samuel Crawford, farmer, likely resident in Ballyalbana too. The witnesses present were Sanderson Bamford and Eliza Bamford, likely friends and/or relatives of the families.

 You, Peggy, keyed in on looking for a Beggs-Bamford connection and gave me some suggestions. I followed this up further trying to identify who my Bamford couple was. I found out some details that should be posted on a different thread than this one, and I will do that when I'm satisfied I have it right.

 Meanwhile what I found out relevent to this thread is that the wife of Sanderson Bamford, Eliza Bamford, was born Elizabeth Mary Douglas, daughter of William Douglas and Ann MAYNE.  Elizabeth Mary Douglas was born about 1850 in Ballyeaston, Antrim.  Mother, Ann Mayne was born in Antrim about 1806 and father, William Douglas appears to have been born in Scotland about 1801.

 Considering that  marriage witnesses are commonly close relatives, and marriages generally take place in the family church of the bride, I think these people could well be the link between my Beggs and the Maynes, with their home turf being the environs of Ballyeaston. Does anyone see the potential Mayne line that may provide the key?

 Thanks, Bill
 

 Thanks Peggy, you are very generous.

 I have some additional information on this Beggs – Crawford line that I have tried to follow up but to no avail. It may be useful to you and others in your own research and possibly lead to mutual findings.

 My Sarah and David Beggs had 7 children ( 1 boy & 6 girls) that I have been able to verify with birth and census records. Three of the girls were given common Antrim and vicinity surnames as their second given names.

 Their first child, born 14 June, 1874 in Ballynure, was named Ann MAYNE Beggs; their third child, born 25 January, 1880 in Ballycor, was named Margaret McAULEY Beggs; and their sixth, born 1 September, 1888 in Ballylinney, was named Agnes MUSSEN Beggs.

 I've been unable to find any Beggs or Crawford alliances with any of these families in Antrim, so I'm wondering if you or anyone else has seen such marriages or lineages that predate these girls births and may be possible relatives?  Hopefully this information will provide leads for others as well.

 Regards Bill