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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: genetics vs cultural identity
« on: Monday 03 February 14 17:31 GMT (UK)  »
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I have tried to search my Persian origins but as far as my family know of, we are ethnic Persian apart from one of my grandparents,who has some sort of East Asian ancestry, I believe it's possibly Japanese and I'm in the middle of confirming this through ftdna.

If you have taken the YDNA test (I'm assuming you are male) it will only prove your paternal side of the family... If the East Asian ancestor was on the paternal line then surely your family name would be kind of Oriental rather than South American or Persian.   I'm guessing your family name isn't following the usual Middle East traditions if you are looking elsewhere?

When you get your Ydna results post up the results, I'm intrigued now on how they will pan out.
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East Asian is from a nan on my fathers side, my mistake for not elaborating. Basically, I had assumed for a long time that she had some sort of oriental in her, you can clearly tell from family photos. But this wasn't confirmed. I took the family finder test and also entered into the Japan DNA project with FTDNA. I have a professional genetic genealogist who is doing all of the work for me and so far she has confirmed that the test has picked up two places with East Asian ancestry. Now just to confirm it to be Japanese etc. wherever the oriental is, it definitely isn't from a grandad otherwise like you stated surnames would be oriental rather than persian etc.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: genetics vs cultural identity
« on: Monday 03 February 14 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
but does it really matter apart from interests sake , we are who we are now.

Fair point, but if you believe that you would not be researching your family history either.  ;)

Wanting to know more about our forebears is a widespread foible of us humans.

I agree 100% it's just nature for us to want to know what makes us who we are, what ancestor could have have us a certain physical trait etc. I myself am in it because I love to find out what countries I can relate to.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: genetics vs cultural identity
« on: Monday 03 February 14 09:49 GMT (UK)  »
I think I would explore my Persian/Middle East roots matches before going deeper and looking for matches that may have happened thousands of years ago.
 
People who are interested in studying their own dna are usually looking for close matches before going onto a general interest in where we might have originated thousands of years ago.  I fall into that group and I am no expert, just interested.

Others who like to study dna are only interested in the  beginning of man and theories on the likely migration routes etc., and totally disregard anything to do with modern man of the last thousand years or so. some of their debates get quite heated and can be dismissive if their own ideas and thoughts are challenged ;D

Going back to your persian roots...
My son-in-law calls himself Persian, but born elsewhere to a Persian mother and an Omani father.  The father is interested in his family history and like most of us accepts cross culture events, he has managed to go back to his grandfather which is no mean feat in countries where no records are kept or have been destroyed, most of it is via family stories passed down.  My son in law's mother claims to be full Persian, no other mixes. She has very very pale skin and has grey eyes, while his father is typical Omani colouring. Their children are a mix of both parents. although my son in law wasn't born in Iran or Oman, he classes himself as Persian but accepts, like his father, the Middle East is a "hotch potch" of mixes. You only have to look at the coast lines and trading across the Gulf and beyond for thousands of years to realise cultures became mixed centuries ago. Don't forget the trading extended far beyond the Middle East, there is so much to consider before trying to claim some sort of South American heritage on a personal level.

I agree with you, I have tried to search my persian origins but as far as my family know of, we are ethnic persian apart from one of my grandparents,who has some sort of East Asian ancestry, I believe it's possibly japanese and I'm in the middle of confirming this through ftdna. The main Reason why I went into South American was because my surname which intrigued me was very interesting, it can pass as having many different origins. from there I managed to find someone in South America with a name just like mine. Then the next step for me was to find which dna company had the best South American database (I personally think it's DNA tribes).

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: genetics vs cultural identity
« on: Monday 03 February 14 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
What is wrong with saying that you are a mix of both? Why do you have to be one or the other?
It's because some people I have spoken too think that DNA cannot be a means to claim a certain ethnicity as part of your makeup. I find it absurd. The way I see it is that as long as it's in you, you have a right to claim it as part of your ethnic background.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / genetics vs cultural identity
« on: Sunday 02 February 14 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
i have been curious to see what your thoughts are on whether we can use results of DNA tests to link us to a certain ethnic group and establish a cultural identity. for example, in my case i have done a bit of research on my surname and decided to test with DNA tribes as they have a massive (and probably the best) south american database. my south american results came back and i had very good matches with colombia and argentina. from my personal point of view, if somebody was to approach me tomorrow and ask me where i am from, i would say i am persian, but if i was asked whether i am fully persian, i would not hesitate to claim my south american ancestry. i know some people would disagree with me on this, but its my own personal opinion and i would like to hear other peoples opinions on this subject.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / experts on STR testing for ancestry?
« on: Saturday 25 January 14 18:52 GMT (UK)  »
hi, i would appreciate it if anybody can give me some names or email addresses of people who have a good knowledge on STR testing for ancestry, specifically to see what your ethnic background holds.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / is DNA tribes an accurate company?
« on: Thursday 05 September 13 21:07 BST (UK)  »
i had my dna tested with DNA tribes, they are my first ever dna test and im currently awaiting my results from ftdna. i was looking at the kerchner page which is a site that shows many genealogists results and they talk about what they found out from the test etc, it seemed like the test was convincing enough so i took it. i was intrigued and excited when i saw my south american results came back and i had matches with colombia ten times followed by argentina with 8 times, would these results be a good indication of ancestry/relatives from those countries?

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No worries it's fine, so in the end I definitely would not be able to test on myself right? It will only have to be from my fathers brothers.

You can do the autosomal SNP test on yourself. Autosomal SNP tests are best done on the oldest generation. We all get a slightly different mixture of DNA so two siblings can have different ethnicity percentages.

I understand, I sent an email to the person who runs the Japan dna project and he told me to ask family tree themselves for testing using the project, hopefully they will reply soon

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Sorry I've just realised that I've been misleading you. That's what comes of answering messages late at night! Your father's brothers will in fact inherit their mother's mtDNA so one of his brothers could take an mtDNA test to investigate your father's mother's direct maternal line. Ideally you would want a full mitochondrial sequence test. If the maternal line did have origins in Japan you would get an Asian haplogroup assignment. I'm not sure how many full sequences from Japan are in the public databases and it might not at present confirm origins in Japan as opposed to another neighbouring country. The full sequence test would give you the most geographical specificity. The full sequence test is only available from Family Tree DNA. Unfortunately you've just missed their sale. The next sale will probably be in December. The basic mtDNAPlus test is very cheap and would it least give you the haplogroup.

No worries it's fine, so in the end I definitely would not be able to test on myself right? It will only have to be from my fathers brothers.

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