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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Waller Emigration to Canada 1912
« on: Wednesday 24 August 22 19:05 BST (UK)  »
Yes since Annie Elizabeth was 11 months when they left for Canada in 1913.  Memories fade but I'm quite sure I was told there was this death of an Annie baby.

BTW, thanks for always being so engaged and helpful!

Jack

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Waller Emigration to Canada 1912
« on: Wednesday 24 August 22 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Time flies and I've been so busy with work on the acreage. 

After finishing his degrees my son who is a pianist has decided that he wants to live in London and so is applying for a resident visa based on his grandfather John Henry Waller being born in England.

As per this thread and from elsewhere I believe we had sufficient evidence that John Henry Johnson, born with no mention of the father's name became John Henry Waller, travelling with John Waller to Canada.  There is, in my opinion plenty of circumstantial evidence for the application but Kerry is worried so I've wondered/tried to find evidence of the name change.  Is this impossible??

On a different note regarding this family tree I've been told that preceding the birth of Annie Elizabeth (Waller) Johnson there was another Annie who died at birth or shortly thereafter.  Would that likely be recorded??

Jack

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Waller Emigration to Canada 1912
« on: Sunday 10 April 22 20:26 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again. Families tended to be concerned about illegitimacy and sometimes that resulted in facts being hidden and I think that has applied in our family (perhaps also with my mother and her first child Shirley).  In this case, Annie Johnson was involved with John Waller and had my father John Henry and his sister Annie Elisabeth W Johnson (I assume the W was for Waller) in England.  This is my aunty Betty who lived next door to us and was a Burnard.  Maybe detained because of birth certificate, common law husband in Strathcona, type issues, since Annie had not yet married John.

The Martin clan that came into the picture had contacted me regarding this very confusion - William, who was on the ship coming out with John (3 years) who is mentioned as the youngest (age 1)below my father, I now know was the illegitimate son of John's oldest daughter Mary and he was William Waller (I don't know the father) and when Mary married Jack Martin they officially or unofficially called him William (Bill) Martin.  This of course caused problems with the Martins tree and I was able to clarify that for them.

So thanks again!

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Waller Emigration to Canada 1912
« on: Sunday 10 April 22 17:39 BST (UK)  »
Wow, this adds a bit to what I have known.  In the past there was an illegit birth and the fathers name was Robinson but the mother's name Waller was kept - I don't think/didn't know that my grandfather John Waller had a middle name or as a previous link seemed to say it was Robinson, but it could be.  Because of the the tree information we named our only son Kerry Robinson Waller.  He now resides in London England and has this challenge that he needs proof that his grandfather John Henry Waller was born in England (citizenship) but we don't have a document to show any change of name since he was born to my Grandmother Annie Johnson and he is documented as Johnson (War record shows Waller).  We do have the birth certificate showing Johnson and addresses that would suggest all this because it seems Annie worked for John (next door) whose wife had died earlier.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Waller Emigration to Canada 1912
« on: Sunday 10 April 22 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I just happened upon this by fluke and it relates directly to me.  I have in the somewhat distant past tried to find similar information and a relative, whom I don't know but whose documents I have traced this tree back to the 1600's.  I'd be happy to share what I know.

Jack Douglas Waller, Ardrossan, Alberta, Canada

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The Lighter Side / Re: Roadblock dates in geneology research in England
« on: Wednesday 13 August 14 16:42 BST (UK)  »
Boy, these comments are interesting.  Thanks.  I'm not even sure why I'm getting so intrigued by such things while other members of my family are quite disinterested, even to the point of not wanting to hear such things as some ancestors being born illegitimately.  Based on the tree information that was passed to me I've learned that I should actually be carrying the name Robinson, so I gave my son that middle name, kind of a token gesture, ha ha.  One ancestor had it as a first name, long long ago.

When I started digging a couple years ago, trying to confirm for myself that the tree information I'd been given was accurate and to expand upon it, I was struck by a number of things.  One was the negative attention paid to illegitimate but also how many there were.  Also, how easy it is to make assumptions that could be wrong based on the use of identical names and the lack of middle names and so forth.  I recall spending a whole night (til 9 AM!) just reading a Yorkshire parish record imagining all the interactions of the various people - seems one family in my tree was quite involved in the church.  I was struck by the uniformity of names in certain districts over many many years, etc. etc.

One old-timer (a relative I guess) kept a diary and in it was a brief comment that my grandfather whom I never knew had just left for Canada!  From my mother, I know he took my father (born to the next door neighbor's daughter, my Granny) who was two, with him and his children (quite a bit older) from a deceased wife.  I can recall my very elderly father, teary eyed, expressing that he never even "had a name".  What dynamics must have existed.  My Granny came two years later bringing her second child, a daughter with her.  Apparently they had to get married or the immigration wasn't going to be approved.  Granny was barely older than an older daughter of Grandpa's who had been looking after my father in Canada, and now I understand the affection my father had for aunt Mary and why granny had no use for her, LOL.  Then my grandfather died leaving my father who was about 8 to be the man of the house relative to Granny's side and  there were two more boys, one just a baby.  All the relatives who knew the secrets are now gone so here I am burning with curiosity and this desire to look far back.  Thankfully, I have an extensive tree that was passed to me, hard to believe!

I'd still love to hear if there are any books that really stand out as being both useful and interesting in combining history and genealogy as well as further pointers on how to maximize ones efforts given minimal free time.

Jack

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The Lighter Side / Re: Roadblock dates in geneology research in England
« on: Wednesday 13 August 14 13:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that.  I'm wondering if there is a single book that could be recommended that deals with English history that would be a must have and enlighten me relative to this curiosity.  Another curiosity relates to the use of genetic analysis in genealogy.  All I know is I've heard the word expensive.

Jack

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The Lighter Side / Roadblock dates in geneology research in England
« on: Wednesday 13 August 14 04:48 BST (UK)  »
New here at Rootschat and living in Canada.  Have a family tree that was done by a distant relative that goes back to a Waller in Swaledale, Yorkshire around 1600.  That made me curious as to what challenges exist when dates get back that far.  It stands to reason that records get lost etc., but are there particular events that caused things to really break down at certain dates?

Jack

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The Lighter Side / Re: Seeking info on gradmother's (yorkshire) old temperance poem
« on: Wednesday 13 August 14 00:00 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Brian, that's just fine.

Jack

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