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Antrim / Help with Henry Dobbin and Alice/Matilda Collins (married Belfast 1895)
« on: Tuesday 25 August 20 09:13 BST (UK)  »
Hello - I have hit a little brick wall trying to find census records and any further birth/death records for the following marriage:  Henry Dobbin and Alice Collins (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10541/5839751.pdf)

I have found one son Henry born in 1896 (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816737.pdf)

I have also found son Henry's marriage to a Janet Black in Govan, Lanarkshire on 17th July 1922.  Both parties are living at 34 Listhouse Buildings, Govan, Glasgow.  Henry lists his father as Henry Dobbin, Confectionery Work Labourer and Matilda Dobbin (MS Collins) - mother is marked as deceased at this date.

I am struggling to find any census records for Henry and Alice/Matilda and son Henry.  Neither can I find any further children or any record of Alice/Matilda's death prior to 1922.

Any help or suggestions appreciated :)

Many thanks!

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 00:26 BST (UK)  »
So now I have a very strong and intriguing hint on Matilda Collins.   It's quite strange.

As per my previous post I discovered Mary Ellen Collins in Govan, now Mary Ellen Black.  One of her Daughters was Janet.  Janet was married on 17 July 1922 in Govan to Henry Dobbin.

Henry Dobbin lists his parents as Henry Dobbin (Confectionary Work) and MATILDA (MS COLLINS) (Deceased)

Could Henry and Janet be cousins?

I found Henry Dobbins born in Belfast in 1896 to Henry Dobbin (Confectioner) and ALICE (MS COLLINS) - not Matilda, strangely:  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816737.pdf

I found the marriage of Henry and Alice (Matilda?) here in Belfast 30 Nov 1895:  She was 20 at the time which is right in line with Matilda's age and gives her father's name as Adolphus Collins, which seems an unlikely name and indeed I can't find any record of an Alice being born to an Adolphus anywhere in the UK around 1875.  She does give Adolphus's profession as Army though, which is consistent with Matilda's father Denis:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10541/5839751.pdf

(Recall Alice was the name of Matilda's older sister who was confirmed to have died at Smyllum orphanage in June 1895, just a few months before this marriage).

All very mysterious.  I am struggling to find further records of children of Henry and Alice/Matilda Dobbin, census records or records of Alice/Matilda's death in either Scotland or Ireland.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Just had one of those oooooh! moments.  I was wondering why 10 year old Andrew was not with his Father and Brother in the 1911 census, and went to ScotsPeople and searched for him in the 1911 census in the hope that he might be staying with one of his aunties.  A number of Andrew Williamsons were returned but I purchased one speculatively and it was 50 Greenfield St, Govan. 

Andrew Black. Head  44 Born Stirling
Mary Ellen Black Wife 43, Born England
Elizabeth Black Dau 17 Born Lanark
Janet Black Dau 8 Born Lanark
Andrew Williamson Nephew 10 Born Ireland

Found the marriage certificate (3 June 1892) and confirms the parents.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 20:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much - Andrew Williamson, 6 Sandhill Parade died in 1970 and is recorded as being 56 years old at this point, which is considerably off from a birth year of 1900:  https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8741.6526

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 18:48 BST (UK)  »
OK, he is listed as 47 years old at death on 18/10/32.  A bachelor, labourer and the informant is A Williamson, Brother, of 3 Crossley St.  That sounds like it might be Andrew. 

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 17:29 BST (UK)  »
I think this is high probability for William Junior (died 18 October 1932 aged 43 years):  https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=J1&GraveNumber=121&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 16:14 BST (UK)  »
Parents listed as Alexander Williamson, Stone Cutter (Deceased) and Jane Williamson (MS Giles) (deceased) - so that's probably a no go. 

Fascinating that Rebecca's parents are listed so specifically as James Williamson and Elizabeth Jones, but then the informant is actually William Williamson and the child is buried with with the family.  Was the registrar just bluffing his way through it?

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 15:06 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I'm starting to see all these death records - looks like pretty close to a whole large family is just wiped out.  What a sad story.  Thanks for all the details.  This might also give some leads on where Mary Ellen and Matilda (Eliza's sisters) might have ended up.  Certainly Eliza seems to have named one of her daughters after her younger sister.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Family Mystery: Looking for information on COLLINS family Greenock 1870s-1880s
« on: Friday 21 August 20 11:38 BST (UK)  »
Thank you!  That Belfast record is clearly the Eliza I am looking for.  That's given me a great lead - really appreciate it.

I have a record for Denis Collins on Ancestry here: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/58238411/person/32042472339/facts, including various censuses, military, death.  No record of his first and second family mixing.  Its seems that they were completely separate.

That 1871 census transcription is erroneous, the actual document clearly lists Eliza as being born in Mauritius and Mary Ellen in England.

Denis was in the 55th regiment so I am not minded to think that the one in Portsea is the same one - the name is not uncommon in Ireland around the time.

Really appreciate your help!  Still trying to better understand context for why at least one of the girls would end up in an orphanage given she wasn't short of immediate family.

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