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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Monday 06 November 23 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Brilliant! Thanks very much for all these leads, which I'll explore. And I agree that James “of London” (died 1526) certainly looks to be the son of Robert “of Oxton” (died 1476). Thanks too for your kind offer of further info, which will probably be taken up as soon as the present chunk has been digested.

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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Monday 06 November 23 11:13 GMT (UK)  »
A very quick reply to your very interesting post, since I hope we can explore this family in more depth.

The line of Robert Wilford (died before 28 August 1396) to his son William Wilford (died before 19 July 1413) to his son Robert Wilford (died 1476) seems fairly well documented and accepted. It is over their descendants that surviving records differ.

To keep things simple, might we perhaps look first at James Wilford (died after 27 April 1526), alderman and sheriff of London in 1499. Could you perhaps say which sources you've relied on to prove his parentage?

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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Friday 05 May 23 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Although we probably should open new threads for different family names, could I just add a bit on the wife of William Wilford of Exeter who died in 1413?

If we start with Vivian's “Visitations of Devon” (1895) at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002002213917&view=1up&seq=9, on page 59 this records that Margaret Cornu, daughter of Walter Cornu, married first Robert Cruwys and secondly William Wilford. With her first husband she had a son named William Cruwys. No mention of any Wilford children.

Page 256 confirms this, stating that Robert Cruwys, a gentleman alive in 1381, married Margaret Cornu, daughter of Walter Cornu, who after his death married William Wilford. They had two sons: Thomas Cruwys, gentleman, and William Cruwys. Again, no mention of any Wilford children.

A different account on page 597 says that Elizabeth Pollard, daughter of Walter Pollard, of Way in the parish of St Giles in the Wood, and his wife Elizabeth Cornu, second daughter and co-heiress of William Cornu, of Horwood, married William Wilford. No mention of any Wilford children.

When we turn to the “History of Parliament” online (1993) (I've no access to the print version) at https://historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/wilford-william-1413, it is quite explicit that between 1393 and 1400 William Wilford married Margaret Cornu, widow of Robert Cruwys and daughter not of Walter Cornu but of Sir Robert Cornu, knight and MP, of Thornbury.  It adds that this Sir Robert Cornu in 1385 was a retainer of Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon, as was Robert Wilford, MP for Exeter and father of William. There is no mention of Elizabeth Pollard and the only Wilford children mentioned are Robert (named after both grandfathers!) and Elizabeth

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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Wednesday 03 May 23 09:46 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for the posts and the links!

A quick look suggests that the Wilford mystery remains unsolved so far: where are names, dates and documents to prove the descent of James Wilford “of London”, who died in 1526 , from William Wilford “of Exeter” , dead in 1413?

It seems to me that the gap may well require two male Wilfords. First a son of William born roughly around 1400, call him X Wilford, who if not an unrecorded child of William's second marriage to Margaret Cornu/Cornew might be adopted or illegitimate. Second, a son of his we could call Y Wilford, born in approximately 1430, who became the father of James Wilford.

Any ideas?

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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Saturday 02 April 22 12:55 BST (UK)  »
Paul

Many thanks for posting the excellent pictures of Ileden!

I think you can be confident that the present house is the one in which Sir Thomas Wilford lived. Originally timber-framed, it would have been faced in brick at a later date, possibly in the Georgian period.

Best wishes

Conan

PS It is wise never to believe any statement by an English estate agent.

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The Common Room / Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« on: Saturday 24 July 21 17:25 BST (UK)  »
The descent of the Wilford family, usual modern spelling, continues to baffle most researchers.

Yes, there is a clear line through Robert (-1396), merchant in Exeter, his son William (-1413), merchant in Exeter and naval hero, to his son Robert (-1476), gentleman at Oxton in the Devon parish of Kenton.

Then there is a clear line from James (-1526), merchant in London, who married Elizabeth Bettenham.

James was from Devon, and it is widely held that he was from the Exeter/Kenton family, but I've not yet seen a believable link. My guess is that he may descend from an undocumented younger son or illegitimate son, 

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Richard Dowdeswell of Bushley
« on: Friday 03 February 17 09:15 GMT (UK)  »
To Capetown:

Thanks very much for the leads. I'll get digging!

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Richard Dowdeswell of Bushley
« on: Friday 03 February 17 09:13 GMT (UK)  »
To Carole:

Lovely to hear from you!

Briefly, my Dowdeswell descent runs from Roger Dowdeswell (abt1570-1633) who in 1600 married Martha Blomer (1575-aft 1649). Their son the Reverend Dr William Dowdeswell (1609-1671) held various church posts and married Anne Coles (abt 1620-1680). Their son the Reverend William Dowdeswell (1654-1711) was rector of Kingham in Oxfordshire and in 1682 married Elizabeth Gibbard (1663-1734). Their son Richard Dowdeswell (1692-1730) went into business in London and in 1724 married Elizabeth Manship (1701-1733). Their daughter Anne Dowdeswell (1727-1777) in 1748 married John Manship (1726-1816), a wealthy businessman and landowner. Their daughter Anne Manship (1755-1779) eloped with and in 1772 married Simon Goodman Ewart (abt 1752-1812), a rich man's playboy son. And so down to me.

If you want to know more about any of these people and their families, do ask.

Conan

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Richard Dowdeswell of Bushley
« on: Thursday 02 February 17 19:17 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Carole

Unless I've not read carefully, it seems that nobody has answered your original question.

Richard Dowdeswell was baptised in the church of St Michael and St Martin at Eastleach Martin, the home village of his mother, on what we would now call 24 February 1601. Under the calendar used in England at the time however, where the start of the year was on 25 March not 1 January, it was still 1600. So he arrived in the same calendar year as his parents' marriage, but a decent ten months later.

I'm descended from his younger brother William, a parson, but so far have found almost nothing on the ancestry of either of their parents, JOHN DOWDESWELL and MARTHA BLOMER. Is there anything you can share, perhaps?

Yours

Conan

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