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I believe Kitty was in Cleethorpes as that is where her daughter lives and where my grandparents were - my email is (*) if you'd like to correspond directly

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Hi, it looks like they've removed your email address and suggest using the Personal Message system.  I'm not sure how that works, are you?  Once we figure it out, yes, we could correspond directly... 

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I hadn't seen that article so that's great - thank you. I agree that Ada was a Lovell. I need to check some of my stores computer data as I have a photograph of the family bible and I'd like to share photos of my Grandma, Ada's daughter Dorothy. I'd really like to understand why they went to Scarborough, do you know?

Family lore has it that he was offered a job in Scarborough as a dentist.  They lived, as you probably know, in Ewing Street, Scarborough.

You've probably seen this:

1911 Census: Scarborough, Yorkshire(North Riding) England

George Colebrooke b. Tunbridge Wells, Kent age 44
Ada Colebrooke b. Notting Hill London age 41
George Lewis Colebrooke b. Barnes Surrey age 13
Dorothy Colebrook b. Barnes Surrey age 11
William Ewart Colebrooke b. Barnes Surrey age 8
Kity Colebrooke b. Ealing Middlesex age 5
Alfred Colebrooke b. Scarborough Yorkshire age 4


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I have her birthday certificate and definitely born here but I do remember my dad taking about a circus connecting my grandma had mentioned so maybe she did join the circus which would explain her marrying later but I assumed she stayed at home to look after her dad

Correct about the 'circus connection' and Jack Colebrooke, my wife's dad, said that she worked for William Cody but not sure what her job was.  This makes sense as Ada's family had horses and access to horses so perhaps they supplied Cody with horses?  Knotting Hill wasn't all that far from Earl's Court, where the Cody Show was held.

From past experience of researching genealogy, relatives are often mis-quoted and because Ada perhaps was employed by Cody it didn't make her an American Indian which is the common opinion in the family today.  As you pointed out she was born in England and was related to the Lovell family.

Have you seen this:

http://www.gypsyjib.com/page/Lovell+family+of+Barnes+Surrey

Ada is mentioned:

"Duriah’s daughter Ada Lovell b 1862-3 in Notting Hill (age 28 at marriage in 1896 and living at 86 Railway St, Barnes), married George Colebrooke on 10/9/1896 in Richmond. Ada died 19/6/1938 aged 69. Duriah Lovell is a 'General Dealer' at Ada's marriage."

There can be no doubt that Ada was a Lovell which is really interesting.

Best Regards

Colum


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I do remember my dad taking about uncle Bill.

His son Jack immigrated to eastern Canada from Scarborough. Jack is now deceased but his sister Kathleen is still living in Scarborough (in her 90's I believe).

What's your take on Ada: was she an American Indian who came over from South Dakota with Bill Cody and his show or was she one of the Lee family?

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I do remember my dad taking about uncle Bill.

His son Jack immigrated to eastern Canada from Scarborough. Jack is now deceased but his sister Kathleen is still living in Scarborough (in her 90's I believe).

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I also remember stories of the circus - also I meant to say Ada was my great grandmother not my Grandma

William, and his son William's name is on a war memorial in Scarborough.

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Hi, my wife originally from Scarborough, is also a great grandchild of Ada.

I don't know if the William Cody thing is correct and think that Ada might be related to the Lee family of Knotting Hill.

Cheers

Columbanus

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My thanks to KGarrad and Crisane for their thoughts on the age Victorians married.  One thing discovered in this time-detective hobby is not to make assumptions but to examine every possibility.

The name of the game here is to find out the maiden name of the Ada who married George Colebrooke in 1896 and the only way to do that is to check the marriage certificate.  Someone has already found out this information as they stated that Duriah Lovell (Ada Lovell's father) was named on that marriage certificate:

http://www.gypsyjib.com/search/everything/george%20colebrooke?contains=george%20colebrooke

However they didn't mention the father of George Colebrooke, so if anyone out there has that certificate do let me know as this will prove which of the several George Colebrooke's mentioned in Ancestry is the correct one.  The George Colebrooke mentioned on the 1911 Census is perhaps, the same one who married Ada Lovell but we won't know for certain until Ada's maiden name is confirmed.

The troubling part of all this is the sheer volume of consistent family stories which connect Ada "N" to north American First Nations Tribes and how Ada "N" described herself as related to either Sioux, Pawnee, or Cheyenne tribes (all depending on who's telling the story). 

There can be a lot of value in family lore as you know.  Speaking from a personal example, my father told me his mother received 7 telegrams from the Mercantile Marine relating to her brother who's ships were targeted by German U-Boats during WW1.  Naysayers discounted this story for many years until recently a distant cousin found the information in WW1 records at Kew and Newfoundland and proved that my dad's uncle was on board a number of ill-fated ships and unfortunately lost his life on the 7th ship when it was attacked in the Ionian Sea in 1918.  I digress but hope this example shows the importance of family stories... 

I know that in the case of Ada "N" naysayers galore are asserting that there is no American First Nation connection whatsoever but I am hoping that someone somewhere has the information proving or disproving the link definitively.   

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Managed to find those Census reports as our local library has free access to Ancestry - socialism lives! 

Yes, was aware of two George's born in Tunbridge Wells but don't think that George William Colebrook was the one as he has no association with Scarborough.  The George living at Asquith Avenue, Scarborough named one of his sons Alfred and it is likely that this son was named after George's father Alfred - so typical a thing in the Victorian era - although he simply might have been named after Prince Albert.  So George's parents might be Alfred and Esther...however, the marriage or birth certificates would confirm that (more to-dos!). 

Ada Colebrooke is an enigma especially due to her whereabouts from 1883 to 1896 or from the age of 21 (assuming her birth was 1862) to age 34 when she was supposedly married (in 1896).  How did she survive without an income or even a profession for 13 years?  The problem she presents is that 34 seems a bit old for marriage in Victorian times when the norm was to marry in the late teens?  (Queen Victoria as you may know, set a national trend by marrying Albert when she was 21).  Do appreciate your sidelights on this research...

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