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Armagh / Re: PERRY Armagh>Lorneville,NB-Sisters?
« on: Sunday 12 March 23 12:22 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Printed by Print Three Saint John,  issued in print and electronic formats.
ISBN 978-0-9959253-0-4
ISBN 978-0-9959253-1-1
I am sure the library could get a copy.
The Old Age Pensions Act 1908 and subs used the 1841/1851 census records for applicants but the families in Lornesville left Kilkeel around 1833, there are the Tithe Appointment books for Kilkeel that is for 1830 but it only gives names and townlands.
I am presently looking a passenger lists (again) as I believe they left from Warrenpoint or Newry.

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Armagh / Re: PERRY Armagh>Lorneville,NB-Sisters?
« on: Saturday 11 March 23 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
My Grandmother was a Perry from Kilkeel and there are still Perrys in Kilkeel.

There are no census records for Ireland prior to 1901 as they were destroyed in Dublin by fire in 1922 along with the Church of Ireland records. The Perrys were members of the Mourne Presbyterian Church and records were not kept before 1839/40 also the Kilkeel Presbyterian Church has no records before 1840. Civil marriage records started 1845, births and deaths 1865.
By not having these records it makes it nearly impossible to tie the various Perry families together in Kilkeel.

I have a DNA match with the McCavours (known in Kilkeel as McCaver or McAver) family of Lorneville posslibly through the McKnights or William Perry and his wife Jane Moore who also lived in Lorneville and was from Kilkeel whose daughter Elizabeth married James McCavour in 1858.

Have you read Shane Galbraith's 'The History of Lorneville and First Families?'

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Down / Re: Kilkeel Adoption
« on: Friday 29 August 14 15:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi Del, One thing I forgot is Ella's death was registered as McCulla so there would not have been an adoption.

I have a photograph of Eliza Ann amd Johnny Robert on what I believe was their wedding day. Also photos of Mary (Eliza's sister), plus a photo taken of the family on JR's wedding to my Gran with all the children except Ella and of course my mum.  Unfortunately not having used this board before I cannot PM you with my email address. Do you have a tree on Ancestry that I can contact you via?

All the best
Richard 

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Down / Re: Kilkeel Adoption
« on: Thursday 28 August 14 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Ella was my step aunt, her mother Eliza Ann nee Bingham died shortly after Ella's birth from what was called in those days child birth fever. My mother was Matha Jeanetta (Jean) McCulla) the daughter of Johnny Robert's second wife Minnie Perry.

Ella used to stay with my mother in Kilkeel when I was a lad and I visisted Ella in Grantham in the early 70's at her house which if I remember was a railway cottage.
Of Ella's siblings only Jim (Thomas James) had a family all daugthers who are all still living.
With regards to official adoption I think it would be doubtful as it was common for relatives to take on children as happened in grandfather's case in Birmingham. The official register only started in Northern Ireland around 1930.
I am presently researching the McCulla's going back to about 1800 and have already done search on the Bingham's and Perry's.
If I can be of any help please let me know.

Richard





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