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This is an update for those who have kindly helped in unravelling the life of Edward Peters of Buckley  – my great grandfather.

Edwards Peters, funeral report for December 1932. Some progress here. It was suggested that Edward Peters died and was buried on 15th December 1932 at Bistre given that there is a Parish record of a burial of an Edward Hall (actually Iball) of 132, Mold Road aged 75. I have checked the Mold, Deeside and Buckley Leader for December 1932 and in the last week of December there is report of a funeral of an Edward Peters held at Bistre on Thursday (15th December). There are no details of his life other than he lived at Mold Road, was the eldest son of Mr and Mrs John Peters and was 75 years of age. This is almost certainly our man but yet again there is the conundrum of the parish register referring to Edward Iball and the newspaper report Edwards Peters. My impression is that when he had dealings with the family (eg his son’s wedding) he reverted to Peters but otherwise used his mother’s maiden name - Iball. Why, therefore, the Parish register should show a burial for an Edward Iball in December 1932 is difficult to understand. 

John Edward Peters. We guessed that my grandfather might have been originally John Edward Iball given that my great grandfather often used his mother’s maiden name, Iball, on leaving the family home. On this basis I have had a look at the birth certificate for a John Edward Iball born on 6 July 1879. However, this looks like a dead end. He is the son of John and Margaret Iball of Daisy Hill, Buckley.

Difficult to know where to go next.

Edward Peters/Iball. The baptism record for Bistre in January 1857 looks right. In addition there is a birth certificate in 1857 for an “Edward Ibal” Holywell 11b 275 – possibly the Edward baptised at Bistre in January.
 
John Edward Peters. It may well be that, given that he was illegitimate, his birth was registered under his mother’s name. There are a few options in the Bistre parish records for 1879/80 eg  a John born to Mary Anne Hughes in October 1880. Worth investigation.

DevaBlue

Just had a look on NWales BMD for John Edward Iball 1879 and there are two very similar entries - Mold/35/47 and Mold/35/47a. Anyone know if they are different versions (eg long and short) of the same birth certificate?

Thanks for your help. My head is spinning....

Edwards Peters/Iball. This all looks very plausible and explains why I have failed to track Edward through the 1891 and 1901 census. I have a newspaper report of John Edward's funeral in 1930 and it states that his father - Edward Peters - attended. However, Edward is not at his grandson's funeral in 1936. So he could well have died in 1932 but again under the name Iball.

John Edward. As you say, his father in reverse. Looks as though he was brought up as Iball but certainly reverted to Peters from at least 1908 onwards. My father was vague about the Peters family line (he was much closer to his mother's family - Evans). However, he hinted that there children outside of the main family group.

John Edward injured his back in a mining accident around 1910 and was bed bound for the rest of his life. My father remembers a local man coming to sit with John Edward - possibly his father Edward. He was either being very diplomatic or genuinely did not know his grandfather on the Peters side. Interesting that he is always Edward Peters when there is a connection with John Edward (eg on the marriage certificate and at the funeral). My father also thought that John Edward spent some time abroad in America but this could well be a red herring. Close and it would be great to tie together Edward and John Edward through a birth or baptism record.

Regards and thanks again.

DevaBlue

Thanks for the response and suggestions.

1881. There is no doubt about this. The ages and family names match exactly. So he was still in Buckley at or around the date that John Edward was born ie 1880 - based on John Edward's wedding certificate - 28years old in 1908, 1911 census - 31 years old and death certificate - 50 years old in 1930.

1891 census return is more difficult. The birth dates for both Edward and John are some way out and John is fairly consistent later in life that it was 1880. Also again far from conclusive but John Edward gives his place of birth in the 1911 census as Buckley. However, it would be worth my tracking the John Peters is this census to see where he ends up.

The key would be to make a definite link between Edward and John - ie a birth certificate - but Edward is clearly still a single man in 1881. Beyond this I would love to know what happened to them between 1881 and John Edward's wedding in 1908.

Thank you for your help. It is much appreciated.   

Keith,

I am new to Roots Chat and just saw this discussion from last year. You mentioned your interest in Charles Smith. I have been tracking a John Smith who I think is the son of George Smith of Bedale and a brother of Charles. If it is the same Charles Smith then by 1871 both brothers were living in Rochdale at Kenion Street, Castleton. Does this fit with your research and do you have any idea why they headed for Rochdale? John went on to marry Eliza Looker, settled in Rochdale and is my Great Great Grandfather.

Kind Regards

DevaBlue