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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Odd glitch with Ancestry tree maps
« on: Friday 29 January 21 11:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, just joining this thread in case there are updates.

My issue is different - I am supporting a friend whose tree of many years making fell apart when it got attached to thru-lines. I worked out (mostly) what broke and managed to stitch back a heap of orphan content - luckily it was still there.

However the tree remains very unstable doing things it shouldn't - and I have another friend having issues too. Got through twice to ancestry tech people but they kept repeating basic fixes from their help files which I had already done.

Her tree is currently not attached to DNA now, we have three DNA tests in the pipeline and I am honestly afraid to link them back up again.

On "website down" sites I can see a bunch of issues reported 2 months ago, but nothing since https://downdetector.co.uk/status/ancestry/

Anyhow just joining in with threads in a few places to keep up with any news.

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Tuesday 11 June 19 19:45 BST (UK)  »
A little bit of extra "wildcard" information here:

It was an aunt of mine who originally said my Dad had Romany ancestry. She was very adamant that it was the Lee family he was descended from, and that Dad hung around in a gang of "Lee brothers" in his younger days. He was in a 'Teddy boy' gang I recall him telling me, that got up to no good.

I had originally dismissed that piece of information not finding the Lee name on any certificates. However as others have been 'creative' around names on documentation on this part of the tree, I thought it worth considering that I can't trace these men because the names I have are not their actual names.

My GEDmatch number in case anyone wants to run a match is A757480

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Saturday 08 June 19 22:27 BST (UK)  »
A few updates on this thread, the summary of what is known is below:

I have now gained some new information finally from someone who recalls "Reginald Hamilton".

He called himself "Rex" apparently, which makes sense of why my Grandmother Daphne called her children Hamilton and Rex (the latter being my father). He also had a large car, and a boat on the thames "indicating he was quite wealthy". This was recalled by someone who met him when she was young (she was born in the 1930's).

On the marriage certificate of my grandmother Daphne - in 1933 - Reginald / Rex was described as a "Stockbroker".

The previous summary below:

Summarising here the outcomes of this huge long thread

And continuing the search to find "Reginald Hamilton"

Marie M Saunders (on 1911 aged 16 and living in Maida Vale daughter of Ernestine) gives birth it seems (tbc) to 3 children:

Daphne Marguerite Hamilton b1911 Paddington
Stewart E/R Hamilton b1914 Eastbourne Sussex
Anthony P Hamilton b1916 Willseden Middlesex

Daphne (my grandmother): birth certificate lists Reginald Hamilton, flannel manufacturers traveller as father.

Birth certificates are on order Anthony (will order Stewarts too later) to confirm if Reginald / Marie are listed as parents as for Daphne.

1939 census sees Anthony P Hamilton "Occupation traveller" living in Uckfield with Ernestine, mother of Marie. In the 1960's we find Anthony living back in Maida Vale with Stewart.

Back in 1939 - Marie is living a short way away from Anthony. She is now Marie Lambert, married to Walter Lambert, living with Daphne Jiggens (my gran), Hamilton Jiggens (Daphnes son) and two more locked records who could be other family members: Percy Charles (husband of Daphne), rex Jiggens (second son of Daphne) and / or Walter Lambert.

Marie and Reginald never appear to marry. It could be that Reginald dies in the war?

The question is - who is Reginald Hamilton? I have a few possibles on the 1901 / 1911 but have not been able to pin down for sure who he is.

If you like intrigue and mysteries read on -

It seems certain that Maries mother - Ernestine - also had her children out of wedlock too.

Ernestine Saunders b1864 - 1961 - mother of Eugene and Marie on the 1911 is listed as widowed.

However it seems from family pictures and stories that she is in fact Ernestine Le Fort who christens an illegitimate child in Marleybone 1890. And also has Marie Saunders in 1894.

Family stories say that my Grandmother Daphne was traveller - possibly Romany.

I have read on this forum that travellers "often didn't marry but would sometimes baptise their children".

It seems that we have two generations of women - Ernestine and Marie - in stable relationship where they give birth to several children, but do not marry the fathers.

Additionally in several places those children are listed as "traveller" -

Anthony P Hamilton on 1939
Reginald Hamilton on the birth certificate of Daphne.

So thats a summary of the story so far. I have some birth & marriage certificates due end of January, and also am doing dna matching on familydna.com

If anyone spots anything in the meantime - any help most welcome!

With thanks,

Cathryn

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Sunday 31 December 17 10:30 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Laura,

How exciting to hear all of this, I love it when new stories come from the past. I have emailed you, I hope you get it.

With good wishes,
Rose

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Saturday 30 December 17 15:55 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Laura,
I am trying to send you my email address, but its bouncing back, rootschat says your message inbox is now full. I will put it here for a couple of days then delete it as I don't want it picked up by spammers. Let me know when you have it.

[email removed]

Good wishes,
Rose

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Saturday 30 December 17 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Laura,
Yes that is indeed my ancestor, thank you for getting in touch, I would love to see some of his artwork! I will send you a private message.


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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Wednesday 20 September 17 10:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi there Eady, I have sent you an invite to the tree on ancestry, hopefully you can see it! Sorry my replies are a bit slow sometimes, work takes over and ancestry things have to take a back seat for a while! Good wishes.

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Sunday 17 September 17 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, yes indeed you are right, I have added Keith to my tree, not sure how I missed him! So you are you over on Ancestry? I have found a picture of Keith there on a tree, wonder if that is yours? If not if might be nice for you to see.

Wondering if you have any rumours or snippets of family lore about the Hamilton children that Marie had before meeting Walter? Marie never married the father - Reginald - and I can't track him down. Still a mystery/ By the way the name Saunders also is made up. Marie's mom Ernestine never married the father of her two children. He was simply named as "Ernest Saunders, A gentleman" on the birth certificates. The mom and children live in Maida Vale in the early 1900's - a place at the time notorious for housing "mistresses in every other flat". She adopts the name Saunders on the 1911 but there is no marriage.

Originally she was Ernestine Lefort, daughter of a french Jeweller.

Find me over at Ancestry if you are there, and you can fill in the tree.

I have recently been doing family research with my partner. We have studied the trees on ancestry and the internet and believe her great grandfather is a relative of Marie M Saunders. Keith Lawson Lambert was born in Tiverton, Devon on the 1st January 1927 (Mothers maiden name Saunders). This is after Basil (1923) and before Sheila A Lambert in 1931. I wondered if any of you have any opinions on this. Keith L Lambert is living with his supposed half brother Stewart E Hamilton in Uckfield, just down the road from Marie on the 1939 register.

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Travelling People / Re: Romany DNA - what would you expect to see?
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 09:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this.

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