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Messages - Maggie Knockater

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Thank you Horselydown.
It certainly does look as if Kincausie is the best fit. I read it as Kincausie being in Old Aberdeen which I knew wasn't the case and was trying to find another Kincsomething in Old Aberdeen.
Maggie

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I'm struggling to make a definite interpretation of a 1726 marriage record (attached) from the parish of Cruden in Aberdeenshire.
The bride seems to be Mrs Elizabeth Irvin, daughter to the Laird of Kincauhi in Old Aberdeen. There is an estate of Kincausie in Maryculter just outside Aberdeen whose lairds were called Irvin in all its variations, but I can find no mention of such a place name in Old Aberdeen itself. The letter after the u could be an s but other examples of s in the document look quite different. The record is somewhat confused by shadows from the reverse of the sheet.
Any ideas?

Thank you



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I’m relatively confident that the unmarried Isabella Nicol who is in Pitblea, Fraserburgh - with her unmarried sister Ann in 1841 and 1851, and on her own at 34 Shore Street, Fraserburgh in 1861, with granddaughter Elspet Clubb - is the mother of your Alexander Davidson.


Many thanks for all that Ruth. It's quite a complicated story. That family obviously didn't go in for marriage very much.
I also found the census ages confusing: James Nicol was 51 in 1851 and 66  in 1861 whereas his sister Isabella was 64 in 1851 and 69 in 1861. She could make a fortune selling anti-ageing cream! I guess it just demonstrates that census ages are not that reliable.

This may have nothing to do with this family, but I have a William Davidson Clubb, son of Alexander Clubb and Margaret Moir, born at 26 North Street, Peterhead on 19 November 1871, married Georgina Cowie on 1 January 1908, and had a son William James G Clubb, born at 24 Ugie Street, Peterhead on 17 November 1916. William Davidson Clubb died on 24 November 1944 at 28 Ugie Street, Peterhead.

It's an interesting conjunction of names but I haven't got very far with this lot. There are a lot of Davidsons in Aberdeenshire but I don't have any in or around Peterhead. I couldn't find birth details for Alexander Clubb or Margaret Moir which included Davidsons but I notice that William Davidson Clubb had a younger brother George Davidson Clubb born in 1879.

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Yes, I went to the National Records of Scotland and found the same story. I've come across this before. On my father's side an ancestor and her boyfriend were summoned to the Kirk Session and admonished. They were married pronto and the first of their subsequent 12 children was born a week later.
Thank you for the tip and I'll keep checking Scotland's People.

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Thank you all for your helpful comments and rapid responses.

The details about the stone in Rathen churchyard fill in a couple of gaps viz Elizabeth Findlater's death and their daughter Penelope's husband and date of death. I suspect a visit might be productive for some of the rest of the family.

Alexander Davidson's death was registered by his son James who is recorded as being present. However, the details of his mother merely state her name and occupation as "Isabella Nicol Dom: Servant (Deceased)" so it looks as if his parents were not married. That is a useful detail to remember for the future.

I must admit I was disappointed that the record of Alexander and Elizabeth Findlater's marriage was not more informative but again, another useful lesson.
Yes, I wasn't over confident about ascribing the Pitsligo Isobel Nicol to be Alexander's mother.

I have tried looking at Episcopal (and Catholic) records on Scotland's People but they are pretty sparse as yet compared with the Kirk's.

Given, as you say, that many baptismal records have not survived then I have to accept that's as far as I can go with that line.
 :(

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I'm looking for the birth of Alexander Davidson (one of many). His death certificate records his parents as Alexander Davidson shoemaker and Isabella Nicol and his age as 55 at his death on 29/10/1868. That would put his birth as 1813 or late 1812.

Census data show:
Year         Place                                   Age   Year of birth   Birthplace
1841    Memsie, Rathen                        25    1805 -1813     Aberdeenshire
1851    Cairns of Memsie                     38    1812 -1813     Fraserburgh
1861    Blacksmith's Shop, Memsie     48    1812 -1813     Fraserburgh

   
He was working as a blacksmith and living with wife Elizabeth Findlater and children and I have found the marriage and births in Scotland's People. The marriage certificate does not record any names other then those of the couple. Alexander is recorded as of Rathen  which is probably, but not necessarily, his birthplace and could well appear as Fraserburgh in censuses.

Problem is I can find no birth of A(lexander) Davidson born in 1812 or 1813 to parents A* anywhere in Scotland who would fit. By fit, I mean that of 8 Alexander Davidsons born in 1812-3, none has a father A(lexander) and mother Isabel(la)Nicol in any spelling.

I searched for a marriage record in Scotland for A* Davidson and Is* between 1780 and 1815 and found no matches near or far.

If mother was 17 in 1812-3 then she was born in 1795-6
If she was 47 in 1812-13 then she was born 1765-6
So marriage date is 1782 - 1814

Plausible birth Isobel Nicol 1780 in Pitsligo which is the best geographical match and would put her at 32/3 for the birth of Alexander BUT there is no sign of a marriage and no indication of an Isobel Nicol in any spelling giving birth. The records for that period show the mother's unmarried name if it is shown at all.
What am I missing?

Searched censuses for Alexander Davidson, shoemaker and found one family in 1841 in Lands of Phingask, Fraserburgh: Alexander 55, Margaret 60, Margaret 60, Margaret 20, Alexander 15 all born in Aberdeenshire.
In 1851 they were at Greenbank, Fraserburgh: Alexr 69 born Fraserburgh, Margret wife 70 born Elgin, Margret  dau 33 born Fraserburgh, Alexr nephew 6.
By 1861 there's no sign of the parents and a potential match for daughter Margaret as house servant in Peterhead.
No sign of deaths in1851-61 window
Occupation fits but not wife's name

Searched censuses for Alexander Davidson (no occupation) living with Isabella and found in 1841 at Stirling Hill, Peterhead: Alexander mason 48, Isabella 45, James 15, Isabella 7, George 5 all born in Aberdeenshire.
In 1851 they were still at the same address; Alexr 61 mason born Lonmay, Isabella, 54 wife, Isabella dau, 17 both born Peterhead
(Seems odd that Alexander's age in 1841 was not multiple of 5 and if the ages in 1851 were correct, then they should have been shown as 50 and 40 in 1841- strange.)
Wife's name fits but not occupation

Found an Isabella Nicol unmarried in 1851 aged 64 living in Pitblea, Fraserburgh with her unmarried sister Ann and niece and nephew.
Were Alexander Davidson and Isabella Nicol ever married?
Could be that they were unmarried parents of Alexander Davidson the blacksmith and Alexander Davidson the shoemaker then went on to marry Margaret.
No sign of a marriage of AD and Margaret around 1812 or even before.
Even if they were not married, Alexander's birth should be recorded in 1812-13.

Am still no nearer finding a line back from blacksmith Alexander Davidson 1812/3 who was my great-great grandfather.

Can anyone shed any light, please?

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Bedfordshire / Re: Charles GLIDEWELL of Stagsden
« on: Wednesday 24 February 16 16:43 GMT (UK)  »



I think Charles in 1851 is really Charles Gammons....
Death index of Mary Gammons Bedford RD in Mar 1851 - cannot see burial though
....

That thought occurred to me in the shower this morning - that the Elizabeth in 1851 was really Elizabeth Gammons not Glidewell and therefore the Charles was very plausibly her father, Charles Gammons.

The clue which I had missed was Mary's death in  Q1 1851. I was also misled by the census record for 1851 HO 107/1751 page 9 which very clearly shows all members of the household having the same surname  viz. Glidwell.

I guess I need to be more careful interpreting census data when things don't add up on first reading.

Thank you for your help.

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Bedfordshire / Re: Charles GLIDEWELL of Stagsden
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 20:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi John-P,
That's exactly what I have. So where has Charles in the 1851 census come from?
(I assume I'm not allowed to post the page of the census that shows the entry).
By 1851, son James was in his own household with his wife and family.

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Bedfordshire / Re: Charles GLIDEWELL of Stagsden
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 18:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
 I have Lydia's surname as Etrap.

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