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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Monday 03 October 16 19:52 BST (UK) »
Found no relevant gravestones either.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Monday 03 October 16 13:58 BST (UK) »
Well ............ William Gallagher is buried in Carrick, as is Thomas McDermott.
Bridget is in Boyle, Roscommon.
I haven't found Margaret's burial yet. It's after 1911, she outlived William.
Bridget is in Boyle, Roscommon.
I haven't found Margaret's burial yet. It's after 1911, she outlived William.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Monday 03 October 16 11:08 BST (UK) »Surrey Genie, probably clutching at straws here, but since boarders are sometimes related, is there any mileage in the Thomas Hanley who was living with the Gallaghers in 1911? For example, a William Keegan married an Anne Hannelly in the Castlerea area of Co. Roscommon in 1866 and had several children including a Bridget in 1875:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03097/2135713.pdf
While this doesn't fit with Bridget's stated birthplace in the 1901 and 1911 census returns, the father's name does fit (according to Bridget's 1893 marriage). I'm just wondering if Margaret Gallagher might have been a 'Hanley' aunt of Bridget, the descriptor 'step daughter' was sometimes quite liberal in its application (especially if William and Margaret Gallagher weren't married, which is a possibility).
That is a really good thought, thank you! Birth places on Irish censuses aren't reliable anyway. .................. And straws are all I have.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 18:52 BST (UK) »Just to further muddy the waters, Familysearch, confirmed by Irishgenealogy show that a
William Gallagher and Margaret McDermott had at least two children in the Letterkenny Union area in Co. Donegal in 1868 and 1871. Attached is link for birth of Patrick Gallagher in January 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03310/2213175.pdf
Probably not connected to the OP in my opinion, but thought I should mention it...
I don't think it can get much muddier!
Everything is of interest. Every McDermott is of interest. I went through all the Gallagher births in Leitrim - just in case, but there was none with William as father. If they married c 1880 then Margaret would have been 40-odd, probably past child-bearing. Chances are, William wasn't living there with his first wife, assuming there was a first wife.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 17:34 BST (UK) »[/quote]
but your Aunt wasn't looking for a Keegan.
This doesn't add up, is there anyone you could ask about what she found and where.
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Sadly not. All my Irish aunts and uncles have now died. I don't know any relatives still living in Ireland, though there must be some.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 17:29 BST (UK) »SG - did you ever specifically check for surviving workhouse records, presumably with the county council?In some cases admissions registers, and birth registers survive.
Yes, the workhouse minutes were checked. There was no additional information on the birth.
Hallmark - thanks for the link - it still looks a forbidding sort of building.
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 17:27 BST (UK) »I assume she had her mother's support, but why then was Thomas born in the workhouse? I know workhouses sometimes doubled as hospitals (in England anyway) but for childbirth???
There is some conceptual gap at work here. There were lots of births in workhouses - as you say, they had medical facilities. There was previously a birth register specifically for Wexford Workhouse on the web (can now only be located using wayback machine). Most of the births were illegitimate, but some were not.
SG - did you ever the address the point that in a previous thread you stated that William Gallagher and Margaret Keegan were married in 1901 in Carrick-on-Shannon. What was the basis for that statement? Perhaps you just meant to say that they were married by 1901 as shown on the census, while many of us read it as saying that they are actually married in 1901?
Sorry, yes, I meant they were married by 1901. Apparently circa 1881 but marriage hasnt been found
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 16:02 BST (UK) »Carrick on Shannon is in the RC Parish of Kiltoghart. Yes?
RootsIreland has baptisms up to 1899, it's subscription but they have a €10 for 24 hours.
Maybe someone already has a sub...before any money is spent....
Just saying.....
I've been there ..........!!! I got a pile of info on other bits of the family but nothing for McDermott.
Funny thing though - for birth sponsors for Thomas's wife's side of the family - the same names come up over and over again - but no McDermotts at all.
Thomas's obituary - long and full of names that sent cards and telegrams - including a James Gallagher from Carrick and a William Delaney and Margaret Delaney from Boyle, but not a single McDermott outside of the immediate family. It's the one name that never appears!
Thomas was accepted on one side of the family, but presumably, not on the other side. Otherwise, surely a McDermott grandparent, aunt, uncle or even half brothers or sisters would have emerged somewhere.
It's a conspiracy
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Leitrim / Re: Who is my McDermott grandfather??
« on: Sunday 02 October 16 15:58 BST (UK) »Hi Hallmark,
I don't understand that about nephew. He is a grandson in the census. There doesn't seem to be a problem with accepting him as Bridget's son.
SG,
When you contacted the various bodies in Carrick, was that re McDermott or Keegan? I wonder if you could get details from the baptism re sponsors and residence?
Heywood
I explained the situation and they searched under both McDermott and Keegan. The parish at Kitoghert were amazing, they looked and looked but could find no baptism. I cant understand how they didn't find the Thady Keegan one.