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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Ripon Cathedral Burials
« on: Sunday 07 May 17 11:47 BST (UK)  »
Dobfarm,

Thank you so much for your photos of Ripon Cathedral and the William Theakston gravestone. What a wonderful treat to find this gravestone, but a shame no others have survived given the number of Theakstons buried at Ripon Cathedral.  I appreciate your first hand search of the graveyard for ancestors and adding to my family history. I hope you enjoyed your visit to Ripon Minster and her city. Kindest Regards.

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It appears to be a case of Forcible Entry and Disseisin (= dispossession)

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And that Major Theakston, late of Grantley in the aforesaid county, husbandman, on the first day of August in the tenth year of the Lady Anne (1712), by the grace of God now Queen of Great Britain etc., in two closes called Moor Pieces and one other close called Linton Croft, in Andfield-cum-Studley in the West Riding of the county aforesaid, being the freehold tenement of a certain Richard Linton, did go in and make entry with force of arms, namely with swords etc., and with a strong hand and unlawfully, upon the possession of the same Richard Linton. And he expelled and threw out that Richard by force of arms, and with a strong hand and unlawfully. And the aforesaid Richard was then unjustly dispossessed; and he then kept out the aforesaid dispossessed Richard from the aforesaid closes by force of arms and with a strong hand, from the aforesaid first day of August in the abovementioned tenth year until the day of the recording of this inquiry; and he still keeps him out, in contempt of the said Lady Queen and her laws, and against the peace etc., and contrary to form of law. Neither the aforesaid Major himself, nor anyone else of his estate, held anything in the said closes or in any other parcel (of land) within the three years next preceding his aforesaid entry.

Thanks so much for the translation.

So my ancestor was a bit of a swordsman and rogue!  A close is a house or farm? So basically the accusation is that he kicked some guy named Richard Linton out of his abode and took possession of the abode by force when he allegedly had no legal title or ownership of the property.

Is this a civil matter of property rights or a criminal complaint of "forcible home invasion, trespass and property theft with a weapon"?  If civil, presumably this entry lays out the accusation of one citizen against another, if a criminal complaint would this entry lay out the "charge" of a sheriff or constable (or lawman of some sort)? Did Quarter Sessions of the time deal with both civil disputes and criminal charges? Early English historians out there, let us know your thoughts.

Too bad there is no verdict or finding or punishment in this entry, just the complaint. It would be nice to find the outcome.

Major Theakston married a Mary Linton from Aldfield in 1711.  I suspect the scene of the crime (or site of dispute) is in Aldfield near Studley Rogers. Is the Richard Linton his father-in-law, brother-in-law or other relative suggesting a family feud, or did his wife or her family ask him to kick out a freeloading relative?  Nothing like getting in good with the new family by doing their strong arm dirty work for them...LOL.

All very fascinating.  Who said genealogy is boring?!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with transcribing Quarter Session in 1712
« on: Sunday 11 September 16 01:22 BST (UK)  »
Please see attached image of the entries from a Quarter Session in Knaresborough in 1712.  I am interested in the entry related to a Major Theakston which starts on the bottom of the left hand page and carries over to the top of the right page.  It's all Latin to me..LOL.  Any help in deciphering this entry would be much appreciated.  I want to know how much of a criminal my ancestor was.  I can make out a few words and it might be important to know that he married a Mary Linton from Aldfield, near Ripon, the year before.

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Possible picture of him - http://www.dutydrawback.com/ourhistory.php

Thanks so much for the link.  I have added that great picture to his file.  I wish it was dated.

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Hi,

Those type of passenger lists between USA and Canada can be sketchy, not all were kept and
or survived.

I think this is him on the 1892 New York State census, age 30, c (citizen)
http://tinyurl.com/zwtwzse

RC shrink link doesn't seem to be working for me for the moment.

Cheers,
DB

Yup, that would be him.  That state enumeration was just 4 years after he emigrated to NY and was living in Brooklyn.  He eventually did very well for himself as a customs broker and with a few partners founded his own company Comstock and Theakston Inc., which is still in business as Comstock. Later I found his address on Broadway and at least for a time was living in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel.  Sounds like an interesting life!  Thanks again for your help in adding to this family story.

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Hi,

On the "SS Prince George" from Yarmouth, N.S. to Boston, MA on Sept. 27, 1900.
Theakston, Fred H. age 37, tourist
Theakston, Mabel, age 26

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ig3/

Cheers,
DB

Thanks for link.  It seems from his passport application that he claims to have emigrated in 1988, but it seems he may have traveled back and forth to visit family who were all in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

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There is a lot on familysearch.org , for example the passport applications are particularly good sources and have information about a niece who travelled with them in 1924!
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV5Y-G2TW
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV5Y-HZZD

I would never thought about passport records.  Very interesting!  Fred's 1913 passport application clearly lists his wife, Mable T., as being born on 30 July 1872, but his 1924 passport application lists her birthdate as 31 July 1869 and her gravestone (see image on my original post) clearly has 30 July 1867!  The 1900 census has her as age 26 giving a birth year of 1874 +/- 1yr. Which do you think is accurate? Any idea why the different years?  Was this common?

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F H Theakstone born 1861 - Halifax Nova Scotia to New York arriving 17 July 1893 - on the Olivette. Tourist.

Sandra

Sandra,

Thanks so much for this information.  So he arrived in New York. Interesting he arrived as a "tourist".  Seems like he stayed.  Or maybe he returned to NS and came back later to Boston to formally immigrate.  Thanks for the detail on his wife also, since I had nothing.

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I'm researching a Frederick Horn THEAKSTON born in 1861 in London, England, emigrated to Nova Scotia, Canada circ 1864. At some point he made his way to USA, unsure of date and believe likely port of entry was Boston.  Married a Mabel Adams in 1898 in New York, NY. He died in 1935 and buried with his wife in Wiscasset, Lincoln County, Maine.  I'm trying to trace his life.  In particular details about his immigration to the USA and details about his wife (I have nothing).  Any help from those with US sources would be most appreciated. Images of gravestones (from findagrave.com) attached.

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