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Roxburghshire / Re: James Ramsay, minister in Kelso
« on: Thursday 10 June 21 12:15 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the reference.

I am still working out that last reference to somebody's potential aunt Mary Eagle. I suspect because her will was in 1750 that the Nephew "Alexander Ramsay of Belton" was a son or grandson of Alexander the Factor. Namely because Alexander the Factor would have to be born c. 1670 to be married c. 1695 and Mary Eagle is essentially the same generation. Also named in the Will is a sister Farnsworth which could be Utricia Eagle married to John Farnsworth in 1714, however her baptism is in 1682 doesn't quite fit easily with Alexander the Factor's mother needing to be born c. 1750  (although not impossible maybe if the father married twice). Yet Utricia Eagle's father was Gilbert so could have been Gilbert Ramsay's namesake.

The key will be the nephew Willoughby (Willby) Ramsay. All I can confirm was he left a Will in 1751 naming a nephew John Black. I have not yet found a baptism for Willoughby, but there was note of a clothing allowance in the 1730's suggesting he could have been young then.

The other Nephew James the Saddler is a bit of a mystery found as early as 1749 in London.

There is reference to a son John of Alexander the Factor so it could be this John as father of the next 'Alexander of Belton', Willboughby (Willby) and James the Saddler.

The one thing I noticed about the Poet Allan Ramsay was his profile seemed to be written by a fan who exaggerate some information. For instance his father wasn't Robert, but was John as is proven by a Will of John Ramsay of Leidhill 11 Aug 1685 citing Allan's mother Alice Bower his wife.


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Roxburghshire / Re: James Ramsay, minister in Kelso
« on: Friday 04 June 21 12:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi brigau, thank you for your info I hadn't come across the Rev. James' grandfathers name before.

If related to the Balmain branch it may be the only surviving as the main branch ended with the heiress marrying Sir Thomas Burnett, 6th Baronet of Leys.

The Burnett of Leys family is what sparked my interest as their line is the same YDNA haplogroup as myself and other Ramsays. The son of the aforesaid marriage Sir Alexander Burnett-Ramsay 1757-1810 is the 1st 'Burnett-Ramsay' Baronet of Balmain adopting his mother's surname. The Burnett YDNA project was thinking all Ramsay's of this haplogroup was descended from Alexander, however the genetic distance is exponentially further back in time well before surnames. My YDNA is from one one two key clusters of Ramsays in Scotland who both are related well within the time of surnames to a male descendant of Gilbert Ramsay and Katherine Kerr.

I was incorrect on the property of Kerr falling back to the Kerr family. The property went to Gilbert's eldest son David Ramsay-Kerr 1722-1794 who died without children. It passed to the second son Andrew Ramsay-Kerr 'Governor of Bombay' 1738-1799 and would have passed to his eldest son Richard Ramsay then grandson Andrew Sandison Ramsay, but both died and the property went to the next legitimate heir and grandson John Seton-Kerr via Gilbert's daughter Jean. Andrew also had two illegitimate children Mary Ramsay and David Charles Ramsay, both noted in his Will. It is via David this YDNA match originates.

It looks like you may have a more extensive knowledge on the information available, have you come across any further information on the Alexander Ramsay, factor to Lord Hay? The earliest I can find on NRS is:

"1689 May 27. Discharge by Margaret, Countess of Roxburghe to Alexander Ramsay, servitor to Mr. David Hay, Lieutenant Colonel to his Majesty's Troop of Guards in Scotland and formerly servant to deceased Robert, Earl of Roxburghe, her husband, of all sums of money belonging to said deceased Robert, Earl of Roxburghe, and intromitted with by said Alexander Ramsay."

I have found other entries showing Alexander was at a time working in London in 1697 possibly on behalf of Lord Hay and this looks to be where Gilbert was baptised in 1695 and likely David 1698 and Alexander 1697.

It would be interesting to test the theory of a relationship to Gilbert Ramsay to Poet Allan Ramsay with YDNA, but from what I have researched Allan's male line died out.

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Roxburghshire / Re: James Ramsay, minister in Kelso
« on: Monday 12 April 21 09:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Re: Gilbert Ramsay and Katharine Karr.

This is a line I am following with interest as a distant cousin claims Gilbert's lineage as her father's YDNA line (matching my own YDNA).

I have researched back from a John Thomson Ramsay to Gilbert via some interesting people who served in India. Gilbert and Katharine's eldest son was Andrew Ramsay-Karr named for her father Andrew Karr of Kippilaw. He adopted the name 'Karr' upon inheriting his mothers lands, however the lands seemed to jump back to the Karrs, perhaps by some condition reverting back to a found male line heir. Andrew Ramsay-Kerr's will named several adult children. Andrew Ramsay-Karr was Governor of India, and of his sons and grandsons were merchants and soldiers.

The 1719 marriage transcript found at Scotland's People of Gilbert to Katharine notes Gilbert as being son of Alexander Ramsay of Belton where Alexander was found in several documents in the early 1700s on the NAS Catalogue as Factor to David, Lord Hay.

A book "History of Scottish Families' states Gilbert was a cousin of the Poet Allan Ramsay who claimed he was (this is openly debated) descended from the Dalhousie line.

REV JAMES RAMSAY, MINISTER OF KELSO
Of the lineage of Rev. James Ramsay, Minister of Kelso, his descendant William Norman Ramsay found in the Dictionary of National Biography 1885-1900 notes the family was of "Ramsays of Balmain in Kincardineshire":

- https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Ramsay,_William_Norman

I cannot source who wrote this and is highly circumstantial, but it may have been what the family actually thought. It however cannot yet be proven as the line stops at Rev. James. We know he studied at St Andrews which is definitely closer to Balmain, but his parents remain unknown.

Further it is worth nothing that a branch of the Balmain family, a Sir James Ramsay of Benholme c.1620-1696, was in the purchase of Benholme in 1647 "brother german of Sir Gilbert Ramsay of Balmaine". Sir James married Lilias Seton and later settled at Logie. One of his sons Robert c. 1660-1734 became Rector and Provost of Saint Andrews College and Professor of Philosophy.

This maybe a connection worth investigating.


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Essex / Re: FEWELL Family
« on: Sunday 27 December 20 23:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Findem,

My Fewell or Fuells migrated to New Zealand in the late 1800s, they stem from Philip Fewell/Fuell and Sarah Hawkins. Philip was baptised 1799 at Sawbridgeworth to James Fewell & Sarah Gladwin. James was baptised 1766 at Hatfield Broad Oak to William Fewell and Elizabeth Green who at the time lived at Brewers End in Takeley. There is a DNA connection between myself and another descendant of William and Elizabeth via their son Philip Fewell who married Ann bird and via their daughter Milly (aka Millicent, Amelia) Fewell who married Charles Clarke.

I am more of the understanding that William who married Elizabeth Green is the correct son of Philip Fewell and Ann Judd due to ample evidence to suggest this is correct including Philip signing William's marriage certificate in 1761 as a third witness. The name Philip has been commonly used in every generation since William down my line well into the 1900s.



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Essex / Re: FEWELL Family
« on: Friday 30 October 20 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
The 1829 Will is for William Fewell who was of the Little Canfield branch. William's burial 13 Jan 1829 notes his residence as Cloudesley Terrace and aged 73 years. The residence is the same as his will proved 15 Jan 1829 and the age matches a baptism 6 Feb 1756 to a William Fewell and Mary who resided at Little Canfield. The brother Thomas mentioned is noted in the Will living at Black Notley (Black Nottey near Braintree) and his burial is found 3 Nov 1836 noted residing there aged 77 years matching a baptism 10 Feb 1760 to William & Mary in Little Canfield. The Susannah sister is likely to be another and not the same child of Philip and Ann with a missing baptism.

The issue of William Fewell who married Margaret Twinn is still unknown as the 1737 baptism has strong supporting evidence for the William Fewell who married Elizabeth Green, not only was a Philip Fewell a third witness at their wedding at Takeley in 1761 when only two was sufficient, but William and Elizabeth had a son called Philip baptised 1764 at Hatfield Broad Oak when that family was noted residing at Brewers End in Takeley. William Fewell in Takeley was also witness to a marriage in 1766. Philip born 1764 had two attempts at a daughter called Millicient 1802 & 1805 and the name Philip extended to William's eldest son James who married at Sawbridgeworth noting a witness as Philip Fewell in 1788. James' third son was Philip Fewell/Fuell who continued the Philip name down this lineage.

Philip Fewell and Ann Judd had two further sons Philip Jr. and Jeremiah, each who also had a son called Philip, supporting William also very likely had a son called Philip.

William who married Margaret Twinn was in Great Waltham from at least 1768 as noted in his marriage. Since that William had a son called Samuel, there is very likely a connection to a different Waltham area Fewell family with a Samuel Fewell buried 2 Nov 1817 aged 69 (born c. 1748) at Little Waltham.

Also worth considering is the burial 1750 for a Mary Fewell at Chelmsford who is noted of Great Waltham suggesting a different Fewell family lineage may have resided south of Great Waltham attending a Chelmsford parish. It is highly plausible this Mary is William and/or Samuel's mother. A Mary Fell was baptised 24 Apr 1743 at Writtle to a Philomon & Sarah evidence the name existed around the Chelmsford area separate to the Takeley branches with plausible spelling variants.

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Warwickshire / Re: ROSE & EMERY
« on: Saturday 15 June 19 00:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: noel on Sunday 02 October 05 15:51 BST (UK)
Emery.
I am of Emery of Norfolk. I am searching for Robert Emery & wife Rebecca Emery.
They had a dau. Sarah born 1761 Cromer
Norfolk.
The only Robert & Rebecca i have found is of Doveridge Derby. m.1759.
I know i have a Robert born 1731 Smallburgh Norfolk to (1) Robert & Elizabeth.
(1) Robert know is son of John Emery yeoman of Bodham Norfolk d.1722.
Rebecca is nee Plant.
If this is the Robert then must be connection to Emery's in your area.
Best Regards
Robert Emery.

Regarding the statement above this appears to be incorrect. Robert & Rebecca Emery in Norfolk and Robert & Rebecca (Plant) in Derbyshire are two completely different families in different locations.

Robert Emery married Rebecca Plant in 1759 noted aged 21 or greater and was a farmer in Doveridge. They moved to Croxall where they had further children Mary 1767, Mancy 1767, Samuel 1774 & Thomas 1760 baptised there.

Robert Emery was buried in Barton under Needwood near Croxall in 1829 aged 95 years and his wife Rebecca in 1838 aged 101 years. The ages given in Robert Emery and Rebecca Plant's marriage in 1759 correspond to those years at death.

Robert Emery's age at marriage and death corresponds to a baptism in 1734 at Doveridge to a Robert Emery Sr. there. This Robert Emery Sr. was first married to a Mary. This is known because she was buried in 1738 noted wife of 'Robert Emery'. Robert re-married to a Rebecca Gee (two generations of Robert & Rebecca) in 1740. This Robert Sr. and Rebecca (Gee) had children William 1740-1741, Rachel 1742, Sarah 1745, George 1750-1752, Thomas 1752-1764, Ester 1760 & a most probable son Samuel (whose baptism cannot be found) who was born c. 1750 and was a Farmer in Doveridge along with his son Samuel Jr.

Robert Emery Sr. in Doveridge was buried there in 1798 aged 86 years and his wife Rebecca (nee Gee) buried there in 1780 noted "Wife of Robert Emery'.

The other Robert in Norfolk who married a Rebecca had children baptised in North Walsham William 1770 & Robert 1771.

Due to the Robert & Rebecca Emery's accounted for in Derbyshire, the Norfolk Robert & Rebecca cannot possibly be the same family.

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Warwickshire / Re: ROSE & EMERY
« on: Thursday 13 June 19 12:37 BST (UK)  »
I might be a bit late to this post, but I am researching Samuel Emery born 1784 at Doveridge. I have established he first married Mary Woolf in 1803 and had three daughters baptised in Uttoxeter. Mary must have died about 1807 after the last child. Their marriage noted Samuel aged 19 and his father was Samuel Emery Sr. Farmer in Doveridge. Samuel secondly married Eliza Rose in 1827 and is the family seen at Aston in 1841 & 1851 with further children to Eliza.

My researched connection is looking probable via a Rosa Clara Wilson born 1839 to John Wilson and Mary Emery. John was a Clockmaker and lived at Mount Street in Middlesex. Mary died in 1854 and her age places her birth in 1807 also the 1851 census noted her born in Staffordshire. It would seem Rosa was named for her mother’s step-mother Eliza Rose. This connection could have come about with Eliza Rose having been born in London as noted in the 1851 and 1861 census’. Also John and Mary had a daughter before ‘Rosa Clara Wilson’ called ‘Rosa Eliza Wilson’ who died in 1839.

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Can anyone help me please.
« on: Monday 03 September 18 12:09 BST (UK)  »
Have you seen the Samuel Fewell married at Little Waltham in 1774 and who died there I think it was 1817 with a birth year circa 1748.

Given the proximity he could likely be a brother to your William and would suggest that a Fewell family did live there. The children may not have been born there, but possibly moved there as children or young adults with the parents.

Did your William have a son called Samuel?

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Can anyone help me please.
« on: Monday 03 September 18 04:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Have a look in the Hatfield Broad Oak Parish which is nearby in location to Takeley. Search for John buried there in 1769 and notes his parents with residence of Brewers End which is near Takeley. William and Elizabeth’s son Philip’s children are baptised at Takeley noting their residence as Takeley Street.

With your Oswald connection, have you any other evidence other than a name? The reason to question is that if you base a confirmed connection on just a name then you will have people connecting to families all over the country and constantly jumping from one Parish to another. Sound advice given from genealogists is that when a family starts to jump around from Parish to Parish and even County to County, this starts to raise some eyebrows. If I went by that logic, then I could claim many royal connections, but alas there is no actual evidence to prove such a connection. I descend from a James Maddison who lived at Anick near Hexham in Northumberland, the only James Maddison who is the correct age noted is born in Sunderland in Durham. While I can claim descent from him based on the family names, there is no other evidence to prove a connection existed and therefore cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Like the Millicent connection, the Oswald connection needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

I stress to all who are researching that real evidence from documents needs to be in line to support a theoretical connection. Too often incorrect family trees are based on little or no evidence and just a name.

Kind Regards,

Jared

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