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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Friday 17 March 17 15:37 GMT (UK)  »
Ok - many thanks for everyone's help this is now resolved - well the marriages anyway!

Jonas Todd did, indeed, Marry Isabella Sarah Whitfield (name given, Dance, widow) on the same day that
Robert Gardener Todd (Jonas's brother) married Elizabeth Jane Whitfield (Sara's Sister)

The index on FindMyPast is incorrect - but correct elsewhere!

Regards

Dave

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Poyser marrying a poyser in Derby
« on: Saturday 04 March 17 19:37 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Saturday 04 March 17 17:53 GMT (UK)
What about this marriage

Marriages Dec 1859 
Hinds    Eliza       
Poyser    Thomas       
Derby    7b   817

Followed by this birth for Joseph from GRO site

POYSER, JOSEPH       mother's maiden name HINDS     
1860  D Quarter
DERBY 
Volume 07B  Page 373

Aha - thank you, I will put that on the list for a GRO certificate. When doing a search on FindMyPast looking for Thomas "Poyser" they have it misspelled as "Payser" !

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Poyser marrying a poyser in Derby
« on: Saturday 04 March 17 16:19 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Saturday 04 March 17 14:56 GMT (UK)
Hello, one thing that I'm puzzled about is that if she was a widow on her marriage, Poyser would have been the name of her husband, not her maiden name. Have you seen the actual marriage certificate where it states her father is Joseph Poyser?

All I have seen is a transcript on both FindMyPast and Family Search - but I would agree with you that her name her name and her father's name would not be Poyser if she was a widow.

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There is a tree on Ancestry that has it differently, they have:

Eliza Hinds (1835) marrying Thomas Hazzledine Poyser in Dec 1859. They have a child Joseph born 1860.
Thomas dies in 1861
Eliza Poyser (nee Hinds) marries her brother in law Alfred Poyser in 1867. (If so, this was illegal I believe until 1907)

I am happy that Thomas Hazeldine Poyser died in 1861 aged 25 (if you know what I mean) although I am not yet convinced that Thomas "Hazeldine" Poyser was Eliza's first husband as I cannot an exact match - including "Hazeldine"

Unfortunately I have not been able to find in image of the Parish register so only working from transcripts at the moment!

Regards

Dave

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Poyser marrying a poyser in Derby
« on: Saturday 04 March 17 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
While researching the family of George Poyser (1810-1868) & Sabra Hazeldine (1809-1840) I am trying to trace their first born son Alfred Poyser b. 1834 in Derby

Looking at possible marriages, I have come across a record of a marriage on February 20th 1867 at  Saint Werburgh which gives the following information

Alfred Poyser Marrying Eliza Poyser

Alfred's father is stated as George Poyser
Eliza's father stated as Joseph Poyser - Eliza being a Widow

What intrigued me about this record is that George Poyser has a brother Joseph Poyser born to parents George Poyser 1778-1853 & Martha Daking 1777-1842 - so, could the offspring of 2 brother be marrying each other??

As an aside, After George Poyser's first wife, Sabra Hazeldine died in 1841, he went on to marry his sister-in-law, Elizabeth Hazeldine which was in breach of the Marriage act of 1835 - bad boy!

If anyone has access to Parish Records for Saint Werburgh's I would appreciate some additional information on the Marriage of Alfred and Eliza Poyser.

Regards

Dave


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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Thursday 23 February 17 22:35 GMT (UK)  »
I have no trace of them in 1871 - yet

Dave

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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Thursday 23 February 17 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: suzard on Wednesday 22 February 17 20:25 GMT (UK)
1871
Fawdon Square Fawdon Northumberland
Edward Whitfield Head M 51 Colliery Joiner Benton Northumberland
Margaret wife 52 Hebron Durham
Joseph son U 18 Coal Miner benton Northumberland
ELIZABETH DANCE Granddaughter 9 Scholar Gosforth
EDWARD TODD Grandson 6 visitor Washington Durham (1881 he is Edward Blackburn)
 there is a Todd family next door but one)
RG10 5137 62 4

Suz

The family next door but one is Robert Gardner Todd who was Jonas's brother, he is married to Elizabeth Whitfield, Isabella's sister

Dave

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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 21:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for your help on this.

I will - try - and order the certificate of marriage tomorrow to get this proved and will report back when I know for certain!

again thanks again for your help and for the admins for running such a great forum :)

Regards

Dave

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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 20:43 GMT (UK)  »
See attached

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Durham / Re: Birth date for Jonas Todd 1837-1867
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 20:34 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: suzard on Wednesday 22 February 17 20:21 GMT (UK)
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 22 February 17 20:02 GMT (UK)
Free BmD marriage 1860 Newcastle
Isabella Sarah Whitfield and Roger Dance are on the same page.
Perhaps the women are both sisters.

It looks like Isabella Sarah Whitfield married Roger dance and had a daughter Elizabeth dance

then she married Jonas Todd and had a son Edward Todd

then she married Thomas Blackburn and had more children

maybe the 2 children referred to at the inquest were Elizabeth and Edward (Edward being Jonas'son and Elizabeth from a previous marriage

1871 the two children are with their Whitfield Grandparents

Suz

Wow! my brain is beginning to melt!

I need to concentrate on this one but this does seem quite likely.

Regards

Dave

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