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United States of America / Re: Peter Christmas Evans
« on: Saturday 15 March 14 13:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hello folks

I was doing a search for a Peter Christmas Evans today, and your messages came up on Rootschat.  Could you please fill me in on the link with him, as I have been following various Evans links, very carefully, who fit in with my research.

The Peter Christmas Evans I am looking at was born in 1854, in Bersham, near Wrexham, North Wales, with his birth registered in Wrexham, and was a  brother of Samuel Evans (born 1847/1848).  They were among 5 children of Peter Evans and his wife Rebecca (nee Williams), and Samuel married Caroline Davey Humphreys in 1874 in Caernarvon, living in Llanbeblig most of their life, also in North Wales.

My original quest was to find out more about this branch of the Evans family, as Caroline and Samuel had 12 children by the time of the UK 1911 census, 7 of whom died in childhood before this date, and others died in early adulthood  -  very sad.  I come from South Wales, and in the family archives is an obituary card for one of the daughters (Mary Caroline Evans) who died, and was buried aged 17 in Risca, Monmouthshire, South Wales in 1893.  Another daughter died aged 5 a few months later in 1894 in the same area.

What has puzzled me is:  why did "my" Evans family in rural Monmouthshire  where people didn't travel far afield, have this obituary card for a girl well away from her home area (at least 150 miles and a very difficult and indirect journey at the time), as I can't find any family connection at all with the 2 Evans groups?

If anyone can shed any light on this query, I should be very grateful as it is really annoying me, not to be able to find a direct link, even going back 2 more generations!!

Many thanks.......

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World War Two / Re: Obtaining WW2 RAF Service Records
« on: Monday 06 January 14 10:23 GMT (UK)  »
As I was typing my message, Ken has put on an E mail address, so Good Luck with your search!

Jan

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World War Two / Re: Obtaining WW2 RAF Service Records
« on: Monday 06 January 14 10:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

Apart from the information I wrote previously about my father's RAF records, there is a newish .gov.uk web page which may help you find the correct form  -  masses of options, as far as i could see. Maybe one of these will suit what you need.

https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

I hope it helps, but replies are not quick.

Maybe you could find an e mail address amongst all the info. I haven't checked it all out in detail.

Jan

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Parry family New Zealand
« on: Monday 30 December 13 14:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Chris

I've been searching RootsChat recently for any further info about Idris Wynne Parry and his family, as I know they emigrated to New Zealand, and I found various messages you had written and received.  Would you be kind enough to get in touch with me as I would like to find out if you have have more info re the family?

I already know quite a bit, as I have done my own (verified) independent research, but would like to add a bit more, if possible.

The parents of Idris Wynne and his sister Gwyneth Aelwen were John Parry and Elizabeth Williams. 

From my notes:

Marriage:     Mar 1906   
PARRY  John     Llanrwst  11b 446   
WILLIAMS  Elizabeth     Llanrwst  11b 446

Date: 21st February 1906  on the marriage certificate

(Elizabeth Williams was daughter of my G Grandfather's eldest sister, Elizabeth Roberts  -  technically my first cousin, twice removed.)

Births Mar 1908   
Parry  Gwyneth Aelwen    Birkenhead  8a 465 
Births Mar 1907 
Parry  Idris Wynne    Birkenhead  8a 440      (I have copies of both these birth certificates.)

In 1911, Idris Wynne is staying with his Auntie Jane in Llanrwst, while his parents and sister are at home in Birkenhead, Cheshire at 19 Woodchurch Road, Oxton, and John is a shopkeeper.

I W, his mother and sister emigrated to New Zealand in 1915, following his father, John, who had already gone out to NZ in 1913, escorting his brother's future wife.  (John's  youngest brother, Hugh Griffith Parry (b 1883) had also emigrated to New Zealand, some time between 1911 and 1914, and later returned to the UK in 1944 with his wife Hannah Davies Parry after retirement, to settle in North Wales.)

I'd really like to find out if anyone knows for sure what Idris Wynne did after going to New Zealand, as I can't find him on the Electoral Registers there.  Did he get married and have children, or not?  If you can help, I'd be most grateful....

Jan



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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: death notice NZ Herald COMPLETED
« on: Friday 27 December 13 17:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all
I've chanced upon this thread, purely by accident, seeing if I could find any further information about Idris Wynne Parry as I had done some considerable independent research on this side of my family some time ago.

Idris Wynne and his sister, Gwyneth Aelwen, were my father's second cousins, but I doubt that my father would have known much about them as they were a few years older than him.  I have copies of their 2 birth certificates.  Idris Wynn was born on 24th December 1906, and Gwyneth Aelwen was born on 18th December 1907.

Their parents were married as follows:
Marriage:     March quarter 1906   
PARRY  John     Llanrwst  11b 446   
WILLIAMS  Elizabeth     Llanrwst  11b 446

Actual date from marriage certificate is:
21st February 1906.

Location
Zion Chapel, Llanwrst, Denbighshire, UK
to John Parry   
Description
Witness: Hugh G Parry. Edith M Collinge. Groom's add: 27 Fairfield Rd. Tranmere. Bride's add: Llanwrst.

I knew they had emigrated, but was unable to find much more about them afterwards, until I read your thread, here on Rootschat.

Elizabeth (Williams) Parry (born 14th June 1876 Gwernenedd, Llanelidan, Denbigh) was the eldest daughter of John Williams and Elizabeth Roberts (born 7th April 1839 Ty Isaf, Gwyddelwern, Merioneth), eldest daughter of my G G Grandfather, Evan Roberts (born abt 1814 at Llanfor, near Bala) and Jane nee Davies, (born abt 1814 at Ty Isaf, Gwyddelwern).

I'd be interested in finding out more about this side of the family, if anyone can add more  ie children of Idris Wynne or Gwyneth Aelwen.

Jan


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World War Two / Re: Obtaining WW2 RAF Service Records
« on: Thursday 17 May 12 19:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi

In February, I applied for my late father's service records, as I am the only surviving member of the family, and I followed all the procedures and form-filling, as designated.  As I could remember his service number, and a number of odd clues from childhood, I filled in as much as possible on the forms, sent off a cheque for £30 with a copy of the death certificate, and had an interim letter of acknowledgement, saying the info would probably take about 3 months, which is exactly right.  This morning, the copy of my father's service record arrived through the post.

If you are not au fait with the RAF jargon, they enclose a printout of abbreviations used on the record, and you can forward a copy to the Air Historical Branch which can, presumably, transcribe what you can't work out for yourself.

My original application went to RAF Disclosures, Room 6, Trenchard Hall, Royal Air Force, Cranwell, Sleaford, NG34 8HB.

If you are, like me, trying to piece the family jigsaw together, you will find the info useful.  Good luck with it!

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Denbighshire / Re: Williams Llangernyw
« on: Friday 01 July 11 18:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lee

You gave me access to your headstone photos a few years ago, and I notice you have been helping others recently with more church records .

I've just received the Clwyd FHS booklets for Llangernyw, and am plodding through them, but I wonder if I can ask for your help with some info.  I did a very short visit there over a year ago to see the village, and made a brief search in Ruthin for info on my Williams ancestors, with a small measure of success.

I assume that people who were baptised with Cefn Coch as their abode, may have been baptised/married/buried in St Digain's Chrch, if it was in the 1700s, as the chapel at Cefn Coch wasn't in existence then.

Hugh Williams (1761-1840) from Llangernyw married Margaret Jones in llandderfel, where they lived and brought up their family.  I know a reasonable amount about them.

Hugh's father was also Hugh Williams (1720-1781?), who married Jane Richard (probably not in Llangernyw).  All the baptisms for their children I have found, show them as from Cefn Coch.

The elder Hugh Williams' parents could have been Ellis Williams and Margaret, but I know no more.  Do you know if the original church records show more than is shown in the Clwyd FHS booklets?

I hope you don't mind my asking, as I have come up against so many brick walls with this family.  Are there any records of the actual Monumental Inscriptions, other than the photos you took of the gravestones, not all of which I can read?

Many thanks

Jan Hazell (alias Iolanthe on RootsChat)    :-\

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Merionethshire / Re: Llanaber burials [near Barmouth]
« on: Sunday 23 January 11 15:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ainslie

I have bought a copy of the Llanaber MIS, as many of my ancestors are also buried there.  I, too, walked through the churchyard, at the time, very overgrown, and I have found the Gwynedd FHS MIs invaluable.  If you think any others would be buried there, it's well worth getting a copy of your own.

Agnes Mansel is buried in Section B, 0457, page 60 in the book, just below the road and to the right of the church as you look at the main door.  The MI reads:
Here Lie The Mortal Remains of AGNES MANSEL, for 20 years the faithful and beloved wife of the Rev; SPENCER PERCEVAL MANSEL.  She died at Borthwen in this parish, Nov; 30th, 1835, aged 48. "Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth" (Chest)

I hope this helps with your quest and  I have had so much help from others via RootChat over the years.

If you contact me directly, I can send one of my photos of Llanaber Churchyard, pointing in more or less the direction your ancestor would be buried. It appears to be too big to post on here.

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Merionethshire / Re: Meyricks of Llandderfel
« on: Thursday 25 March 10 20:43 GMT (UK)  »
Having had a quick look at the reference, I think it refers to Edmund Meyrick, a distant ancestor of the John Meyrick I am researching.  If I remember correctly, Edmund Meyrick was the benefactor of Bala Grammar School in his will of 1712:
"A Grammar School was founded under the will, dated 1712, of Dr. Edmund Meyrick, chancellor of St. David's, who bequeathed land for the instruction of thirty poor boys of North Wales in a grammar school, and for providing each of them with clothing. "  -  A Topographical Directory of Wales (1849)

This Edmund Meyrick, was John's 3 times Great Grand Uncle, brother of his 3 times Great Grandfather.  Sadly, by the time John was born, his part of the family seems to have been very humble and John, himself, was a horse breaker until he lost his sight and ended up in Bala Workhouse.

I've done quite a bit of research backwards with the Meyrick family, but it is since 1901 that I'd like to find out more about.

His daughter Elizabeth seems to have disappeared from records after 1901 when she was 15 -  I can't find a marriage, or a death, and I've spelt Meyrick in all sorts of permutations in searches  eg Meurig, Meirick, Merrick with no luck, so I'd be immensely grateful if anyone, anywhere has more suggestions!  I've even considered whether she might have emigrated.....
 :-\ ???

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