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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Off with his head
« on: Tuesday 15 November 22 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi. In the course of my ongoing battle with the Minute Book of the Guild of Hammermen in St. Andrews, I came across something rather unexpected. This was a fairly brief paragraph, dated 1581 - which is odd, as the entries immediately preceding it, and following it, are in chronological order but with dates just over 100 years later!

At present, I have completed around 65% of the entire transcript and I am fairly certain that, in the text I have transcribed so far, this is probably the only part referring specifically to events taking place outwith the city of St. Andrews.

My efforts so far have yielded the following:

memora(n)du(m)
The secund day off June the yeir off our lord 1581 yeir The erill
off mortoun was behedit at edimbirgh & wass **** for ****** off
the ******** off king James the saxt father q(uha)tt wass muderit at
the kirke afild

I would really appreciate any help in filling in the blanks :)

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The Common Room / Re: When is a Maxwell not a Maxwell?
« on: Sunday 19 June 22 09:29 BST (UK)  »
It was a bit of a mixture. The original information was wrong, leading to a total dead end. After I joined Ancestry and submitted my DNA test, someone contacted me with information that suggested other avenues. One of these avenues eventually led to my discoveries. It still took some hard digging,  but the results were worth the effort. The DNA element definitely helped, I don't think I'd have got the answers I did without it.

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The Common Room / When is a Maxwell not a Maxwell?
« on: Saturday 18 June 22 23:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi. Just wanted to share the demolition of one of my oldest 'brick walls'

My maternal grandfather was William Maxwell, born 1902. His marriage and death certificates list his parents as Jane Ewing and John Maxwell, however his birth certificate was not to be found. I searched everywhere for it, but to no avail and his parents were similarly absent from official records. His sons would not discuss the matter, and his daughters (including my mum) knew nothing.

I eventually discovered that my grandad was in fact christened William Ewen. He was the youngest of four boys, born to Georgina Ewen and David Maxwell. Of the four, three started off with the Ewen surname, while son #3 was a Maxwell. The birth certs of sons 1, 2 and 4 show only the mother's name, that of son#3 shows both, alongside a date and place of marriage (which turned out to be fictitious anyway).

Errant dad David was of Orkney stock from the island of Stronsay, and he returned there permanently around 1903, leaving behind a destitute partner and four illegitimate children, all of whom spent parts of their lives in local poorhouses. David, however, became a tea merchant, and died around 1916, leaving about £7500 to his brother (and nothing to his ex or his offspring).

Totally not what I expected to find, but  I was so happy to finally get to the bottom of this family mystery.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Yst?
« on: Friday 22 October 21 17:17 BST (UK)  »
I think you're right, that yst = youngest. I've never seen a reference to a 'first' child in this document, first children are invariably referred to as 'eldest'.

Thanks to those who responded.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Yst?
« on: Friday 22 October 21 16:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi. In researching my ancestors, I have often come across someone being described in this way:

'Robert Smith, yst son of John Smith'

It looks as if it could be an abbreviation for 'youngest', but I wondered if that was a bit too obvious. Can anyone confirm if this is in fact correct, or if it isn't, what is the correct meaning?

TIA

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Back to the anvil...
« on: Saturday 04 September 21 23:21 BST (UK)  »
goldie61 yes,  that's almost certainly what it's meant to be. In other similarly worded entries, the words 'acceptit thairof' have been used , so it looks like the writer has abbreviated 'thairof' here.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Back to the anvil...
« on: Saturday 04 September 21 16:18 BST (UK)  »
Manukarik,  I think you may be right. If you compare the A here with the A at the start of Alexander, they're nearly identical. The u seems right too, but I thought the next letter looked like an 'x'. Still,  'auchtein' is probably the right transcription. Thanks!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Back to the anvil...
« on: Saturday 04 September 21 15:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi. After a long downtime I have returned to bashing away at the Minute Book of the St. Andrews Hammermen. This time I'm working on a page from the late 1600s (see image).

So far, for this paragraph I have:

xxxxxxx September 1668
The same day Alex(ande)r Pryd xxxx Decan
to this traid for a(ne) yeir to come quha acceptit xxx
and maid faith de fideli administratione

The word at the start of the date is, I suspect, a number in the 'teens'. As for the second gap, context suggests an expression conveying 'was re-elected'. The third gap - the usual format here would be 'who accepted and made faith as use is'. Here, though, there is an extra word after 'accepted' which I can't make out. The final Latin phrase 'de fideli administratione' is one I hadn't encountered previously, but Prof. Google was kind enough to provide a translation and context.

Any help filling in the gaps would, as always, be greatly appreciated.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Latin
« on: Sunday 15 November 20 12:04 GMT (UK)  »
I think I can now declare this page complete, thanks to you guys. However, as is often the case, the answer begets another question.

The two individuals who had been asked to make their mark (William Deas and David Carstairs) do not appear anywhere within the main text below which the Latin paragraph appears. That text names only Andrew Edie, deacon of the hammermen, and William Sword, admitted as freeman. Furthermore, beside the Latin there appear three signatures (Robert Scott, William Waddell and William Morris) and two sets of initials (AED and WG). There are no other marks; the page is quite clear throughout. I also looked at entries immediately before and after - no trace of Deas or Carstairs.

Ah well... the golden rule is to transcribe what you see. I've done that, but will be adding to the notes section at the end of the entire 368-page document. If/when it finally makes publication I'll be sure to give credit for the help I've received.


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