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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Wednesday 28 June 17 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi CookieCat
thanks for that information. Is it possible at all to tell me where you have seen reference to a family account of her being of a "dark complexion and native". The reason being is that I have found birth and death certificates for a Mary Anne Smith, who's information matches the information I have been researching and says her parents are Elizabeth Smith Formally Neale and John Charles Smith. As I believe both Elizabeth and John are from England/Scotland I'm wondering if Mary Ann was possibly adopted by the couple, which I know was common back in the day. There is also the chance that I have the entirely wrong Mary Ann however the information I have all matches up. Any help is most appreciated, as I would really like to find the Aboriginal connections for this family.

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 03:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Thursday 11 May 17 03:36 BST (UK)
Ok.

I can't do it at the moment but I have a resource for Parish records in Aus and their locations.  Be back later.  Someone else may have the same resource and may look for the location of those records.

Cando
Thanks a million!

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 03:35 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Thursday 11 May 17 03:25 BST (UK)
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Not sure if the death record you found is the same Henry I am looking for as I have him born in Australia and his parents listed as George Henry and Mahaleth

Are these details taken from the marriage certificate?

Cheers
Cando
No parents are not listed on the marriage certificate

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 03:34 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Thursday 11 May 17 03:30 BST (UK)
:) Re St Barnabas Church

I expect the document will include the denomination .... perhaps 'according to the rites of' or '..... form of' .... and sometimes the clergy's signature may include mention of the denomination.

 
Quote from: Jessies Mum on Friday 31 August 12 03:10 BST (UK)
3700/1889  TOMS  HENRY  SMITH  MARY A  BALRANALD 


Likely it would be St Barnabas Anglican Church in  Mayall St, Balranald.   It could well be administratively in a diocese based in Victoria, perhaps Wangaratta ?   I am not sure. 
http://www.wangaratta-anglican.org.au/#   

JM
It is listed as According to the Rites of the Church of England Married in the St Barnabas Church of England

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 03:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Thursday 11 May 17 02:52 BST (UK)
Hi there,

May I ask about the info that is recorded on the 1889 marriage certificate.   This is a registration for rural NSW, so it may well be that NSW BDM head office in Sydney only received a summary of the details at that time.   NSW BDM commenced reconciling their records with the Church records in 1912, but WWI took their experienced clerks and the reconciliation was not ever completed. 

The Church records should be extant, and NSW BDM's own webpage acknowledges that it can be sensible to seek out the church records where there are blanks on their own civil registry ledgers.

Here's a now lengthy thread I commenced some time ago, it may be useful if there are those elusive blanks on the marriage cert.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

JM
Thanks I am happy to provide any information from the certificate at all. So do you know where I could access the St Barnabas Church records?

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 03:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Thursday 11 May 17 02:45 BST (UK)
Hi there,

From the NSW electoral Roll 1913 for MURRAY, polling at Balranald

Mary Ann TOMS, domestic duties
William TOMS, labourer

May I mention that the electors needed to be aged 21 years and over and British Subjects.   It is unusual to find Aboriginal People on electoral rolls in that era.   The Commonwealth Parliament had legislated in 1902 to grant adult suffrage but effectively excluded many/most Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.   
Some general background info here:
https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-electoral-rolls



JM
Thank you, according to family members Mary "passes" as an Indian woman, so I'm not sure if that helped her get on an electoral roll?

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 02:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Thursday 11 May 17 02:34 BST (UK)
Did Mary Ann remarry?

11772/1918
SMITH Richard
TOMS Mary A
District Balranald

Cando
She was listed as Mary Ann Smith on her wedding certificate on 26/12/1889 to Henry Toms . Usual place of residence for both was Canally Station, NSW

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 02:35 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for your help. I was able to obtain the marriage certificate of Mary Ann and Henry in 1889 in Balranald, NSW. Unfortunately The certificate does not list either of their parents names. Not sure if the death record you found is the same Henry I am looking for as I have him born in Australia and his parents listed as George Henry and Mahaleth

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Australia / Re: Toms, Balranald
« on: Thursday 11 May 17 01:56 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jessies mum, I was just wondering if you ever found any further information on Henry Toms and his wife Mary of Balranald? I am particularly interested in information on Mary ( Mary Ann Smith) who I believe may have been an Aboriginal woman? Any information at all would be very helpful for my research
thanks

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