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Dumfriesshire / Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 17:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi. Just to let you know Iíve picked up on your message - Iím not on RC much these days and itís ages since I have delved into my Scottish Nicholsonís. Iím not confident I can add anything new but Iíll have a look what I have once back home as Iím on a holiday at the moment.

I note I wrote ď...the will of Jonah N. wife of JanetĒ. I think I meant ďhusbandĒ  ::)


Bookbox and horsleydown - May I interrupt to say how impressed I am with these marvellous translations and information.  Xsalamak is my OH by the way. Iím afraid my schoolgirl Latin of many decades ago is simply not up to the job, apart from the odd word and a bit of guesswork due to a knowledge of the parish, so I suggested he let Rootschat have a go and we are very thrilled with the results.

I know my OH will be along shortly with his own appreciation but just wanted to add my own thanks.  (Weíve family here at the moment so there could be a slight delay.)


The Lighter Side / Re: What has Rootschat done for you?
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 10:53 BST (UK)  »
Rootschat has been part of my life since 4 February 2006 when Patricia (Jones the Search) took just over half an hour to help me with a French Huguenot question and I was amazed. In recent years ďLifeĒ as interfered a bit and limited my appearances but I can never forget the help received, the fun Iíve had and the friends Iíve made and in many cases met. I too remember dear Rabbit and the hilarity we shared as we both tried to get the hang of photo restoration and all the help we received from Paula, Gadget and Pels (3 of many) on the photo board whilst we mucked around trying, and invariably failing, to improve the pics.

Also I can never forget my distant cousin in Australia, Charlotte, now sadly no longer with us. Charlotte and I had originally ďfoundĒ each other in early 2006 via a Manchester Surnames board, then I discovered Rootchat (cannot remember how), I signed up and suggested Charlotte did the same. She joined the day after me and so many of our mutual Yorkshire family history questions were answered. Iíd like to think we helped a bit too. And then there were the TOT boards, once Iíd plucked up enough courage to say something. Yes - in addition to the wealth of knowledge readily shared on here, the friendship of Rootschat has helped me through some difficult times and I will always be so grateful for that.


PS.   Excellent thread GS - itís good to remember.

Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Saturday 20 January 18 00:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thatís a very beautiful picture Gadget - I know exactly where that rowan is. I remember our chats too.  I hope you are well.

Maggie  :)

Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Friday 19 January 18 22:30 GMT (UK)  »
Jennet Device was reprieved as attitudes to supposed witchcraft had softened by 1633 - I think Iím correct in that being the date of her trial. Edmund Robinson was her 10 year old accuser but he later confessed to making up the story as some sort of money making exercise in collusion with his father. At the time the episode became the subject of various London street plays if I remember correctly. Although reprieved Jennet was not freed as her incarceration had put her in debt so as MS says she most likely died in prison. (looks like this link rather repeats MSís last link)

Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that info, Maggie.
Nice to hear it from someone with intimate knowledge ;D

You are very welcome KG.  I could twitter on about the Pendle Witches ad nauseam, also other less satanic aspects of the area, like George Fox and his vision whilst climbing Pendle Hill, or the dastardly and drunken deeds of various past incumbents of St Mary's, but perhaps for now it's time put my broomstick away and put the cauldron on the fire.   ;D


Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:36 GMT (UK)  »
Another theory to add to the mix is that Alice Nutter, the only one of the Pendle Witches who wasn't a peasant was a Catholic and was on her way to a secret Mass when she went to/by Malkin Tower. When she was arrested and interrogated she didn't want to betray any Catholic associates. 1612 was only a few years after Robert Catesby's plot to blow up Houses of Parliament and stage a Catholic-led coup'd'etat. Lancashire was a Catholic heartland.

I tend to agree with this view MS.  Here in these parts we have a soft spot for Alice Nutter who lived in Roughlee.  Little is known about her other than she was married to a yeoman farmer and therefore rather better placed that the rest of the so called witches.  A few years ago a bronze statue depicting how Alice may have looked was erected in Roughlee.  It has rapidly become a tourist attraction.


Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:20 GMT (UK)  »
St Mary's church was at the centre of where the witches reportedly lived and also has a 'witches grave' (as incidentally does Woodplumpton Church). One of the witches, Chattox, is said to have desecrated graves ther

True they did live around here and bones were indeed dug up in the graveyard but the so called witches grave is in fact an ancient family grave containing various members of the Nutter family and does not contain the remains of a witch.  A convicted witch would not have been buried in consecrated ground, in fact the unfortunate Alice Nutter would have been slung into a pit after her hanging at Lancaster in 1612, poor lady.  Incidentally Alice married into the Nutter family and it's not known what her maiden name was.


Lancashire / Re: Eye of God...
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:08 GMT (UK)  »
From our house I can see the Church of St Mary at Newchurch in Pendle - it is my parish church, my husband is church surveyor and some discoveries have come about during recent extensive restoration work on the tower.

The Eye of God feature predates the position of the 1653 date stone. Externally if consists of 2 individual curved stone pieces coming together to form a lozenge shape and the Ďeyeí is a piece of blue slate surrounded by a sand and cement infill. ie. itís not lime mortar.  This puts the infill sometime later than 1850.  It is topped with a rectangular drip stone.  Internally (and Iíve been up the tower to have a look) the now infilled opening is roughly rectangular shaped and the shape is consistent with it having once been a window.

Therefore I think the bit that KGarrad quotes from makes sense:-

More likely, it was carved so bell-ringers or their assistants could see approaching wedding and funeral parties, and wasnít originally filled in. This is, after all, one of the few churches in the country that affords no views whatever of the road that approaches it.
"If carvings could really keep witches away, every church in the country would have had one.
I recently attended a day course of medieval graffiti on stone and wood and it was fascinating.  In more superstitious times stone and woodwork would be marked in a variety of ways in the belief that such marks would ward off evil spirits.  Doorways, window frames, gate posts etc would be marked in a huge variety of ways and most are easily missed unless you are aware what you are looking for and churches provide a rich source.  That is not to say that this explains the Eye of God at St Mary's though.

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