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The Common Room / Re: Missing birth registration
« on: Wednesday 27 June 18 07:16 BST (UK)  »
Hallo

I share your frustration again in our family a puzzle since 1964 when my parents were told there was no certificate for my grandmother.  When my mum told her mother in law they hadn't been able to trace her she didn't say too much.  I started family history some 20 years later with a few facts and was up and down those birth indexes then on reels making notes.  I asked on forums and still couldn't "crack" it.  A couple of years ago I was able to show that the "story" my grandmother had been told she about her birth parents when she was born (1881/82)  was actually not true.  I eventually found her birth certificate at the suggestion of an expert on a forum to try this surname and after 50+ years I am satisfied I have a partial explanation having obtained a birth certificate which shows she was registered under a name I wouldn't have thought of looking!  I think there was a definite concoction of the facts made up by the 2 "aunts" bought up by her one of whom was actually as we suspected was grandmas  mother!  As the surname was Whitbread and the certificate was under Morley!!! I stood not a chance.  However I would suggest if you have any random names that suddenly pop up in the family then check this out in the indexes. My grandmothers uncle George suddenly started using this surname Morley as a middle name out of the blue around the time grandma was born now why, I have no idea.   The birth certificate showed her mother as being married to a Mr Morley but no marriage has ever been found.  I think like many families they "ducked and dived" to survive and told fibs and lies!  Did my grandma know about the circumstances of her birth I am not sure she did.  She was a sweet kind and above all open minded individual.  When my mums sister  met my uncle from Pakistan and had 2 children by him but wasn't married in the late 1940s my mum was concerned about telling my grandma.  Grandma  simply said to mum when told "well dear whatever makes them happy"  My grandma was adored by my uncle from Pakistan and always asked after her.

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Sad to say some occasionally were not given a proper burial due to practical reasons bodies appear to have been moved around the country in latter times as a need arose if there was a "shortage" especially when the railways came into being

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It could be that the burial would have to be paid for out of Asylum funds or else what was known as “The Parish”.
To send the body for disection would cost nothing.
It seems a shame but at least the deceased person benefitted Medical Science and so take some pride in that,I am sure  you feel they deserve some respect for that even though it was not their choice.
What an  interesting find.
                                       Viktoria.

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I think I had certain ideas about this subject all be it sketchy however having read this book I can assure anyone that not only does it deal with the "trade" between medical schools and the workhouse and asylums it also talks about the real poverty of the poor and how it extreme circumstances bodies were sold to the medical school in order for them to continue to cover their own means of feeding themselves and their families. So far as I can see no Asylum or Workhouse had their own medical school.  Some of it makes uncomfortable reading and there are one or 2 photographs within the book of dissecting rooms.  My husband was "treated" to being read out aloud certain passages which shocked me and bless him having a discussion around the subject albeit on holiday.   I am so so glad I found this and read it with fascination and horror in equal measure.  I wish someone would cover this subject in a tv programme with less "Burke and Hare" and more these are the facts not always using "body snatchers"  A must read for a good foundation of family history.

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I couldn't find where to put this and would love to share this topic which I wonder how many people have come across.  I have a relative who was transferred around 1908 to Bexley Heath Dartford Asylum.  She died there in 1912 and in the burial column it said medical.  I have her records from the Asylum and could find no burial (so far)  I decided to google to see what books were available on the subject and came across Dr Elizabeth Hurrans "Dying for Victorian Medicine"  What a find this was it is a very informative and well balanced book a must read to get your head around what happened in well into the last century if no one claimed a body after they died in the Workhouse or Asylum.  Shocking comes to mind but also tempered with a bit of understanding.  Where my relative  ended up is anyone's guess but this is where more research is needed the search goes on.  I was told to leave this alone  by another forum why should I!

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Tuesday 26 June 18 17:07 BST (UK)  »
I set up files and tab papers I am interested in after searching by surname.  Then when I have enough pages to warrant a payment I can then download.  I have found an accidental death for my 2xgt grandfather just by searching the daughters married name I hadn't got his death certificate as he was quite old and I just thought "natural causes"  The article was fascinating.  I also found details of another of my gt grandfathers suicide.  On a funnier note there was my gt granddad who was fined for leaving his horse and cart unattended!

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Lancashire / Re: Walton Prison
« on: Tuesday 26 June 18 07:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi I am the person  linked to George Henry Eastgate  bigamist father to my uncle Albert ( by marriage) .  Have you managed to solve this or can I help?.  Let me know

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