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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Monday 20 August 18 21:07 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Maiden Stone on Monday 20 August 18 19:45 BST (UK)
Does the signature of Maria Walsh, witness to marriage of Anne Walsh 1875 have "Mrs" written after it or was it "pps" followed by priest's signature? I think the priest was Thomas Timlin.

Hello! Since posting this in July, I have located Anne's siblings and parents. Maria was her youngest sister, so I assume her father Patrick and sister Maria were her witnesses.

But to answer your Q, the signature did not have anything written after it and it has "their marks" written for both Maria and Patrick Walsh. I assumed that to mean they could not write, so the priest signed for them? It does look like Thomas Timlin.

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Mayo / Re: Michael Collins
« on: Monday 20 August 18 21:02 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hallmark on Monday 20 August 18 19:26 BST (UK)
Stuff on this thread too....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796635.msg6535810#msg6535810

Thank you, that is also my post  ;D

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Mayo / Re: Michael Collins
« on: Monday 20 August 18 21:02 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Maiden Stone on Monday 20 August 18 19:18 BST (UK)
Extend search years for Michael's baptism. He was allegedly of "full age" i.e. 21 or over at his marriage in 1875,  so if that was correct, d.o.b. stated at death was wrong. Judging by my relatives and other Irish people alive at this time, ages can be a decade out, or even more.

Thanks for your reply! That's a good idea....I'm not sure how much farther out I should extend past 1850 though, since the immigration record shows he was 27 on the ship to NY in 1880. That would put his birth year in the range I was searching, between 1850 and 1855. The other two US Censuses he was on were in that range as well. I definitely think the death record data could be wrong.

I located one of his daughter's birth records in the US, and it states he was born in Errew.

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Mayo / Michael Collins
« on: Monday 20 August 18 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
I'm looking specifically for Michael Collins family. He was my GG grandfather, married to Anne Walsh (28 Dec 1875) in Ballysakeery Church. They left Ireland for the US in 1880. I have their marriage record, and two baptism records for the daughters baptized in Errew. Michael died in Chicago, IL in 1904, and his death record states his birth date was 04 Aug 1855.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11223/8113895.pdf

The marriage record states he was was residing in Errew, and his father was John Collins, a carpenter. John is my only breadcrumb for the Collins family. I don't know anything about John other than his name and occupation. I searched the Griffith Valuation for him in a few townlands in Mayo. There's either no Collins families or nothing stands out. I don't see him on the 1901 census in Mayo, I assume he would be in his 70s. Without John, Michael immigrating, and not knowing any other names, I can't connect the dots.

I've tried searching baptism records for Michael Collins, father John with a year range of 1850-1855, but nothing in Mayo. A few records that might match up in other counties, the closest being Galway. I need a few tips on what to do next to locate the Collins family! Thank you!

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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Thursday 12 July 18 20:14 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: RJ137 on Thursday 12 July 18 17:58 BST (UK)
Quote from: daizedoo on Wednesday 11 July 18 04:50 BST (UK)


I have their marriage record. She was underage, and her father Patrick was a witness. (That's how I know his name, I know nothing else about him). Maria Walsh was also a witness, but cannot verify if she is Anne's mother or another family member.


Ann Coliins died in 1948.

CADI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPKS-CL6

Her death certificate list parents as Patrick Walsh & Ann (unknown). Her daughter Josephine was the informant.

Death Cert: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mcj/

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Son Michael died in 1940. His mother Ann was informant

Death Cert: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mck/

Great find, thanks so much for the death cert. Too bad they did not know her mother's maiden name, that would have been a huge help. At least I know her name was Ann, so more probability Michael is a brother.

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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Thursday 12 July 18 00:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Owenwee on Wednesday 11 July 18 22:15 BST (UK)

Michael Walsh 56 wife Catherine and children.  Michael married Catherine Sweeney I have been unable to find a marriage for this couple to confirm his fathers name. The eldest child was Patrick born in 1881, usually the eldest is called after the grandfather (not always though). If  you can find the marriage it well may confirm  Michael Walsh's father was Patrick also.


I found this blog post on Find My Past about traditional irish naming practices: https://blog.findmypast.ie/traditional-irish-naming-patterns-1406390648.html

Based on this, first son is after the paternal grandfather. Second is after maternal grandfather. Third son is after his father.

So for Michael's family in the 1901 census that also includes his mother Ann: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Rathoma/Ballybroony/1574819/

Patrick is the first born son, and Patrick would be Michael's father.
James is the second son. That would mean Catherine's father is named James
But John is the third son. He should be named Michael in this case.

I feel like most of my brick walls are going to have to be broken by common sense, irish traditions and trial and error!

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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Wednesday 11 July 18 23:38 BST (UK)  »
Owen, thank you so much for your information and help! I assumed the girl's parents (at least the father) would be witness to her marriage, since fathers usually give their daughters away?

If we have Anne's correct baptism, it shows Ed and Belinda Sweeny as sponsors.

I have a conversation going in a Mayo group on Facebook, and one gentleman said he found two baptisms for Anne's siblings; John in 24 July 1845 and Belinda in 14 Nov 1851. I wasn't able to see the records, nor find them. The Sweeny name, as well as Belinda seem like clues to me. Was Sweeny a common name?

Was there a naming tradition for the first daughter?

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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Wednesday 11 July 18 20:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much  :)

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Mayo / Re: Patrick Walsh
« on: Wednesday 11 July 18 17:06 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for all the links to browse!

I think the last link you posted is Anne's birth record. I found this as well, which is where I got her birth year from. If she was born in 1856, that would make her underage for her 1875 wedding, so it matches up. Does it say Patrick Anne Walsh and then Anne Walsh below? And the next line is a different couple's birth, or is it related to the Walshes?

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