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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Thursday 27 September 18 16:10 BST (UK)  »
Best match for Oxfordshire is this one

Births Dec 1854   
Westwood    William        Wycombe    3a   336

Wycombe and Wallingford are not a million miles apart on a map. Its entirely possible registration was done in Wycombe although i would have thought a more local church would have been the place to do it.

Berks has nothing on freebmd

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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Thursday 27 September 18 15:28 BST (UK)  »
Mystery deepens

Having a search into more places to hopefully find something I found a Margaret Westwood on the 1939 register born in 1853 and listed as a widow along with another westwood whose name I'm unable to decipher and hasnt been transcribed either.

There is a corresponding freebmd birth for a Margaret Newman in 1853 in Kensington (there are 5 others in other locations but none that match an area I've so far seen in other records)


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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Thursday 27 September 18 14:46 BST (UK)  »
Been doing a district/county search on freebmd to see if there were any possibilities.

Nothing at all in Wallingford or berks for that matter.

Looking at the 1901 census, place of birth listed is transcribed as watford but staring at it today I wonder if it actually says hertford as it clearly also has herts written next to it.
If that is the case there is a possible birth on freebmd
sept quarter 1858
Westwood    William J        Hertford    3a   236
by his age on 1891 and 1901 census (35 and 45) this would be around 2 years out.

Definitely a puzzle this one

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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 13:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annette7 on Wednesday 26 September 18 12:44 BST (UK)
I can only find William Westwood in 1871 Kingston, Surrey where he is shown as born Wallingford, Berkshire, Hawker.

Annette

Going on age listed at 1891 census of 35 and his occupation of hawker (flower seller in 1901 - with hawk written above it) I'd say this census in 1871 where he is a lodger is very plausible as being him.

Hol i also found that death index entry - remember thinking he must have died right after the 1901 census return was filled in.

Definitely interested in the possibility of a Romany angle - would certainly make for an interesting search considering my OH has Romany roots

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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 11:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gadget on Wednesday 26 September 18 10:01 BST (UK)
Just to add that I checked for a marriage between William Westwood and a Margaret (no surname 1866 +/- 10)  last night and, although three came up, none were in the London area - the nearest was Richmond in 1876.

Gadget

Thanks Gadget. If the 1911 census is to be believed (though by then Margaret was a widow) they were married 21 years so a marriage around 1890 is likely. However I had been searching since posting and also found the Richmond marriage.

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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 09:08 BST (UK)  »
good point Pheno - hadn't thought of that possibility as being the barrier. I guess I thought of her as too young to be married twice.

But then thinking about this further the 1911 census suggests Margaret had 12 children. 10 of which died. I had only found 6 of those 12. Looking at the births of the 6 I've found maybe she was indeed old enough to be married twice as the other 6 children would have been born earlier at a guess. Her age certainly fluctuated between censuses.


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The Common Room / Re: Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 08:44 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annette7 on Wednesday 26 September 18 01:57 BST (UK)
From their occupations and continual change of birthplaces on census,  I suspect there may be a Romany element here.  If so, they often had their own 'marriages' rather than a legal one which could be the case here.

Annette

Annette did you find any other census returns other than 1891, 1901 and 1911?

Interestingly if as I suspect s.giles from 1891 is St Giles this is just a stones throw from Westminster (her birth place as shown in 1911) and Fulham and Kensington.
My feeling is that 1901 showing durham is incorrect - probably as its very difficult to read anything else into the handwriting.

Cant explain away the difference between wallingford and what looks like watford for william however.

Thank you for the suggestion and help.

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The Common Room / Help - cant find a marriage anywhere
« on: Tuesday 25 September 18 21:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I know roots chatters love a challenge.

Looking for a marriage between William Westwood and Margaret Newman
Children
Edward - B 1886
Margaret - B 1890
Richard - B 1892
Betsy - B 1894
Mary - B 1898
George - B 1900

Found Newman as maiden surname via GRO birth records for all 6 children. All children born Fulham/Kensington areas. Found some baptism records on ancestry that give evidence for parent first names also.

I'm beginning to think that they didnt actually marry despite 1891 and 1901 census having westwood as surname for Margaret and 1911 having her as Widowed.

Thank you in advance.

Paul

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The Common Room / Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« on: Wednesday 29 August 18 19:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Martin.

There could be but as I said it's not a line I'm researching. This leggett was in East London but it doesn't mean her family didn't come from those areas you mention. I only have her in my tree as part of research I did into a cousin but I didnt need to trace back

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