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Isle of Man / Re: gaps in census records?
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 19:29 GMT (UK)  »
I see, baptism and land records (as I would call them), I've only been looking at census records, then births, marriages & deaths...and I was just looking at the newspaper records yesterday, considering a subscription to see what they hold.

Thank you all, this has been a great help, not just for the information, but the use of other records.

Simon

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Isle of Man / Re: gaps in census records?
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 18:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks....you are perhaps a bit closer than me (Oxford) :)

I've been using both those sites and I've not got any further than the 1911 census ie, not even anything for the 1901. This could be due to my lack of experience in these matters of course, but I would expect Walter Herbert Halsall (senior) to pop up on a couple of earlier censuses(sp?), they could have been elsewhere of course, Ireland would seem obvious, but I found nothing there either.

They could just have been elusive at the time of the census.

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Isle of Man / Re: gaps in census records?
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 17:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Christine53 on Sunday 04 November 18 17:55 GMT (UK)
Baptism for Walter Halsall senior  :

Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane

Where and how was this found? I ask, as I've been stumped, hence my posting.

Thanks

Simon

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Isle of Man / Re: gaps in census records?
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 17:57 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, that is the family as on the 1911 census, but I've not been able to find them, any of them depending on their ages of course, on an earlier census....or any other details.

I would add that I am quite a novice with regards to all of this, I only started about 4 weeks ago

Simon

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Isle of Man / gaps in census records?
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 16:03 GMT (UK)  »
I've been trying to trace my maternal grandfather (Walter Herbert Halsall 26/01/1898-22/07/1947 born and died in Douglas). I can find him, along with the rest of his family, his father has the same name, on the 1911 census, but not the 1901 or details of his father on any other census record.

I know that records may have been lost, they may have been overseas or any other number of reasons.

Has anyone else found a gap in census records for the island for the other census records?

Thanks

Simon

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United States of America / Re: James Jeffrey Hogg & Mary Irving married 1896 Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England, UK
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 15:56 GMT (UK)  »
I now know a bit more, well at least verify things. Irving's daughter did marry a Banghart in 1944, I have a copy of a wedding photo. Discussions with my mother confirmed this along with my  vague recollection about Irving's immigration to the USA, he did return in the mid 1960's for a visit, I was perhaps 4, but this is confirmed. I also have a couple of other photographs. Thus there are descendants of a Hogg in the Detroit area, with Banghart as a surname.

I hope this makes sense, I've borrowed a vast amount of stuff, it is bewildering...Manx history back to 1607, other relatives somewhere with the name of Snowball, others in Australia, a vast range of names, as one would seem to expect when you start on this.

Simon

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United States of America / Re: James Jeffrey Hogg & Mary Irving married 1896 Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England, UK
« on: Sunday 21 October 18 20:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Annie, I have just started on all of this in the last 3/4 weeks. What I am attempting to do, is at the moment, trace back from my father, ie those people you mention. I think it was the 1891 census is where their birth place, they were in Gateshead at that time, was listed as 'Scotland'. I've had a quick look on the free census website an may have possibly found the next generation on, in Scotland. I did try using scotlandspeople.gov.uk, but having paid for a couple of documents, I now know I need to be more sure of the details of one generation, before trying to ascertain the next. At the moment, it is just the male line from my father, grandfather (James Jeffrey) I am starting to trace. I may know more by next weekend as I should be bale to look at some of the stuff my dad did 10 or so years ago; he died 3 years ago, so I have no idea what he found, or the accuracy or anything.

Simon

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United States of America / Re: James Jeffrey Hogg & Mary Irving married 1896 Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England, UK
« on: Sunday 21 October 18 17:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Annie, James Jeffrey who die in 1969 was my paternal grandfather and the dates you have are correct.

As for Irving's daughter Gloria, it does fit with family memory, not mine but my mum's. I knew/know that Irving did emigrate as he did visit once, in the mid 1960's.

Simon

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United States of America / Re: James Jeffrey Hogg & Mary Irving married 1896 Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England, UK
« on: Thursday 18 October 18 16:23 BST (UK)  »
It seems, yet to be verified, that Irving's and Ethel's daughter, Gloria, was a GI bride and went to the USA after the war. Irving, Ethel and their son subsequently emigrated. This may explain how Irving was able to give an address in Michigan, for the Queen Mary passenger list, when they sailed from Southampton to New York in 1948. I will know more about this in a couple of weeks.

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