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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Monday 29 October 18 21:39 GMT (UK)  »
@Capricorn

The newspaper article & information you discovered, written the day after Andrew Cross' death in Portland, Maine is an amazing find.

Thank you
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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Monday 29 October 18 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
@MonicaL
   
There is so much information to assimilate....can you help me understand, thanks!

Can the Andrew Cross with wife Mary & Ruby, who left for to the US in 1883 and became an innkeeper who naturalized in US in 1892, but later died an alcoholic in 1897...be the same Andrew Cross listed as a restaurant manager in Glasgow on his daughter, Ann Steel Cross' marriage certificate in 1893?

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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Monday 29 October 18 08:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MonicaL

I just found your most recent posts about Tobermory and Andrew's immigration to the US...thanks! Wow, another wonderful piece of surprising information for my family :)

What's strange though, is that your 2 last posts weren't up an hour ago when i answered you. They weren't up till now....?

I'm going to go through everything you've so kindly searched out for me, and make a timeline to work on. That will keep me busy today!
 
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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Monday 29 October 18 05:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MonicaL

Thank you so much for your research!
You're so efficient and quick, wow!

To answer your first response - yes, i do have the marriage certificate of Andrew & Mary from 1862. It was my difficulty reading this certificate that raised the question for this thread. Was William Cross, gilder in Glasgow in fact Andrew's father? Looking at the cert it appeared he was, but i wasn't sure. So, thank you so much for clearing up this question for me.

About Andrew & possibly Mary working and living Macclesfield, thats surprising news! Firstly, i had no idea that our Scottish family had ever lived in England and secondly, why would Andrew, carver & gilder, working with his successful father leave to work in a restaurant?

I wonder what happened?

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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
This is the Cross family in the 1861 census:

William Cross 51 carver and gilder, b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Ann Cross 48 b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Ameen Cross 19...son (could this be Andrew mistranscribed?) carver and gilder, b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Agnes Cross 17 , b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Robert Cross 9 b. Glasgow
George Cross 3 b. Glasgow
Jane Aithra 13 servant

Address: 120 New City Road Glasgow/Milton


@MonicaL

Thank you so much for your help and research! The copy above is from your first post, with census 1861 info, and shows an Ann Cross (48yrs) married to William Cross, Glasgow carver & gilder.

This could be the grandmother of my great grandmother Ann Steel Cross b. 1865 at 82 New City Str. Glasgow. If the son, Ameen (Andrew?) above is correct.

Your later post about an Ann S Cross, 25yrs living with grandmother, Ann - running a restaurant from census 1891 - is possible. EDIT TO ADD: Ann Steel Cross married my great grandfather in 1893 and is listed as 27yrs. :)

Have you had any luck with the info I messaged you?

EDIT TO ADD: another interesting observation from your posts about Robina (Ruby) and Agnes Wilson.....my great grandmother Ann Steel Cross named her children, Ann (Annette) Wilson, George (my grandfather) and Ruby....i often wondered where the middle names Steel(e) and Wilson came from? According to a Glasgow 1861 census of a William Cross', his father was a Charles Cross, an iron foundry clerk at the time. I thought, perhaps the inspiration for Ann Steel's middle name might have come from here?

Thanks
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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Saturday 27 October 18 15:14 BST (UK)  »
Reading the marriage certificate is quite difficult, because the writing is so faded...

Andrew's wifes' maiden name appears however to look like Mary Thomson (the name on my great grandmothers' birth certificate) and his fathers name appears to be William, with occupation carver gilder - so I'm assuming this could be my great great grandparents.

I thought having more information about William Cross & Son. - the identities would help determine if Andrew Cross of West Kilbride?(difficult to read again) was in fact related to William Cross carver & gilder of Glasgow. 

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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Saturday 27 October 18 14:03 BST (UK)  »
@rosie99

Thank you for the quick response!

Yes, i have an Andrew Cross marriage certificate from 1862 which could be the parents of my great grandmother, Annie Steel Cross.

Unfortunately, i can't read the certificate very well. However, the name written down as Andrew's father appears to be William? Cross....possibly the William Cross carver & gilder of Glasgow. 

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Scotland / Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder
« on: Saturday 27 October 18 13:14 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone :)

I need help trying to find information about the origins of William Cross & son, (Andrew?) carvers and gilders in Glasgow during the mid-1860's.

William Cross and son became well known ornamental carvers & gilders in Glasgow during the 1860's. They would have been at the forefront of the birth of Art Nouveaux design and sculpture in Scotland from 1860 to the 1900. Listed on the birth certificate of my great grandmother, Ann Steel Cross b. 1865 in Glasgow, is stated that Andrew Cross was her father, a carver & gilder however in West Kilbride(?) not Glasgow at the time of her birth.

My question is....was my great grandmother's father Andrew Cross, also William Cross's son? And if he was, what information is available about William Cross and his origins? I've not been able to find anything more about him.

Thank you for your help!
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Scotland / Re: 1st Earl of Ross, Ferchar Mackinsagart & the McTaggart line?
« on: Friday 19 October 18 09:36 BST (UK)  »
@Maiden Stone

"William the Lion is included on a website  -  title "English Monarchs"???"

Thanks for this - yes, i've been confused by this info too.

It raises another question for me however,.....did Ferquar Macinsagart have infact English roots, perhaps not Scottish? It might explain his sudden arrival at the battle, or the ability to keep his heritage hidden?


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