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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Sunday 13 January 19 12:02 GMT (UK)  »
Have any of you that have Robert Laird and Margaret Cowan as ancestors taken a DNA test?

I have taken the ancestry DNA test. It seems many of my DNA matches have Irwin as shared surnames.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Monday 15 October 18 23:37 BST (UK)  »
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and just because there is only one person who might match is a very long way from meaning that it is the right person.

I didn't say there is only one person

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Monday 15 October 18 20:02 BST (UK)  »
Margaret's son David Laird was born only 20 miles away from Dunfermline

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Monday 15 October 18 17:14 BST (UK)  »
It is interesting that there is a Jean Gray ,wife of James Laird. I have noticed Mary Gray b1540 of Grey House, Buttergask, Perth, was grandmother of Sir Alexander Irvine b1580.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Monday 15 October 18 14:03 BST (UK)  »
I'm not sure this will from Alexander Laird is entirely in Latin. I have attached a screen shot.

There is an ancestry .com record (Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910) of a marriage in Dunbarney of 'Alexr. Laird and Margaret Andersonn' dated 23rd January 1610.

Possibly this Margaret Anderson:
"Margaret Anderson Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1585
Baptism Place:    Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
Father:    Robert Anderson
Mother:    Marion Portar ".

Some information regarding the Cardean and Baikie Estate:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:csnafdPWvuEJ:https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/data/gb254-ms6/ms6/9&client=firefox-b&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1&vwsrc=0

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 19:49 BST (UK)  »
That was Dunbarney, not Larbert. I have corrected it. Alexander Laird born 17th March 1611.

Yes it looks to be Dative type, it looks like it says, "Testamantium Dativum L....". It is definitely the 1639 document. I cannot decipher much of what is written over its two pages.

I think the 1580 Date of Birth for Alexander Laird was from a record on ancestry .com, if I recall correctly it was listed as "Alexr. Laird". I'll have a look.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 15:11 BST (UK)  »
I presume you are presuming I meant a baptism record for Alexander Laird b1580. I have his will.
I also have Alexander Laird b1611's baptism in Larbert, but I'm not sure of any link and Dunbarney isn't the part of Perthshire that is near Castle Glamis.


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Stirlingshire / Re: Laird & McLuckie
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 22:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I have tried to research these Lairds beyond Alexander Laird b1580 and appearing in church of Scotland records in the parish of Eassie, Perthshire (less than a mile from Castle Glamis) and have been doing some guessing after lots of search results were showing 'Laird' as a title rather than as a surname. With having a few Alexander Lairds in my tree, I noticed that the Irwin/Irvine Lairds of Drum had a tradition of naming the oldest male Alexander. Although not convinced, I followed Sir Alexander 10th Laird of Drum b1596 back and found a well documented line back through the Lairds of Drum, Aberdeenshire. They'd been granted lands up there by Robert the Bruce and were first known in Dumfriesshire. Actually that line goes back to King Duncan via King Malcolm III and Saint Margaret, then a long list of Ui Neil monarchs of Ireland. I'd be interested to know what you think of all this, what with it being Aberdeen, not Perthshire and a somewhat tenuous link with the uncertainty of birth date (1580/1596 - same person or father and son?).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Irvine

I then researched more recent Laird wives to see if I could get anything else to perhaps lend weight to the Irwin idea and found a lot of interesting stuff. The Cowans (mentioned earlier) and Ruthven (via a Murdoch wife) are particularly interesting. The Ruthvens are linked to Huntingtower Castle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntingtower_Castle

It seems they lost their castle to the Crown, only for it to eventually fall into the hands of the Cowan family (who farmed there up until 2002, apparently). Margaret Cowan b 1688 married Robert Laird b1687 (who's gg1 was Agnes Ruthven b1611) - therefore it would seem those Ruthvens retook their castle through marriage.

I have been able to trace all Laird wife lines back quite far but it is frustrating not knowing for certain what this Alexander Laird b1580's story was.

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