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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Quebec death records 1931
« on: Friday 12 March 21 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you SO much everyone for the links!!  You're NOT going to believe it though -NONE of those are "my" William (Hughes) Clark!! I'm just shaking my head in disbelief!!   All I want to know is William Hughe's  cause of death!!  After coming over from England, he only lived in Ontario in the New Delphi (Norfolk County) area & b/c the 1931 census isn't going to be released for some time, I can't check WHEN he moved from New Delphi to Montreal!!  There's family history of Alzheimers & severe depression & I'm trying to trace through the ancestors for signs of how prevalent they are.

Have quite a few ancestors who committed suicide or who were committed to asylums in one case being described as "lunatic for 45 years"!  THIS is even though them man was trained as a tailor & lived with his parents until THEY died which is why I suspect some form of bipolar/schizophrenia.  And the ancestor who died of "senile decay"?? THAT is definitelyAlzheimer disease Victorian style!!

Thank you to Sandra for reminding me of the links I put up to the William Hughes Clark family Bible. I had forgotten I had posted them! I seem be the only one interest in this branch of the family though which is unfortunate. I'm not sure how many genealogists actually have in their grubby little hands the family Bibelot those you're researching nor the luck to have ancestors who HOARDED & passed everything down the generations!

Thank you SO much to everyone b/c you've helped eliminate some of the rabbit holes I might have gone down in my genealogical searches!! Been there, done that & absolutely NO fun!!

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Family History Beginners Board / Quebec death records 1931
« on: Friday 12 March 21 05:11 GMT (UK)  »
My great-grandfather, William Hughes Clark died July 3, 1931 at his home in Ste.H. Fron-Tenac, Montreal, Quebec.  He was immediately to Hamilton,Ontario by the funeral company where he was buried in the family plot.  Questions:

1) Where do I look for Quebec death records which seem to be only linked to churches?  W.H. Clark was during his lifetime a Methodist, a Christian, a Congregationalist, a Bible Christian, & at the latter part of his life a member of the Plymouth Brethren (who tell their records are quite spotty). Is there some sort of civil registration index in Quebec at the time?

2) I found a link on ancestry.ca to a newspaper archives to an obituary in the Winnipeg Free Press, Monday, Feb.09, 1931 (see attached image).  However when I leave the ancestry site the site I arrive at wants me to pay a minimum $30 for 6 months to see the obituary. Any ideas where else I might look?

Many thanks for any leads you can provide.

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Canada / Re: Mary Emma Williams death
« on: Friday 11 January 19 17:55 GMT (UK)  »

UPDATE:  I've decided to overcome my hesitation that errors aren't made on census forms and indeed, that people will LIE to a census enumerator & therefore to work with the theory that the date on the headstone is correct.  I went through the original documents I have & found that my great-grandfather bought the cemetery plot on October 14, 1903.  IF I assume that her husband knew she only had days to live or that she had died on October 14, 1903, I decided that I'm going to try to wade through the French-only Province of Quebec archives & order a death certificate for October 17, 1903.  A crap-shoot as we here in Canada say however it seems to be the only way of reconciling all this disparate information!!  It really goes against all my instincts though about accuracy of census information (I mean, why would the family LIE 8 years after her death??!!) however right now that seems to be the only answer!! Now my only other question is: who the heck took care of all those kids (the oldest was 12 & the youngest 4) between 1903 & 1912??!! ???

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: need a tree-builder that works
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 19:03 GMT (UK)  »
I like the ancestry.com tree builder, is easy and seems to display well and i like the gallery feature and facts.  Problem is you can't take it with you.  MyHeritage tree is impossible to use by comparison to Ancestry.com, really, no comparison and quite broken.  FTDNA is better than MyHeritage but still not as easy to use as Ancestry.

Does anyone have a suggestion on what can be used instead of a paid-subscription to somewhere?  Easy to use, store photos and docs, tell stories.  Put onto a usb stick and sent out for xmas?

I use Family Echo myself.  I just find it is easy to use and you can plug in all your information including little notes. I also like that you can download your family tree in different formats.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Marriage LICENCES
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 16:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for that information - much appreciated!  I came across the topic of Marriage Allegations & Bonds just yesterday & was going to check it out today.  One ancestor in a different branch, had a Sarum Marriage Bond & it gave quite a bit of information; it finally dawned on me that a MAMB would most likely be worthwhile to explore. 

Now all I have to do is find out where these might exist for marriages done by licence.  Let's hope something surfaces because I now have more brick walls than I'd like!  It took me 3 years, & some extraordinarily helpful people in Ivybridge, Devon, to finally figure out where a g-g-uncle had disappeared to after his parents died so for me, it's never say never!!

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Canada / Re: Mary Emma Williams death
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 23:41 GMT (UK)  »
I get that, but no matter what date she died, the cemetery should be able to provide an accurate date from their records. There is always the possibility that Howard made an error with the 1911 census.

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

PB

As I said, I contacted the cemetery & all they gave me was the information on the headstone.  They didn't even seem to have a register (like many British parish churches had/have) where BMD are noted down. Not that THAT would have been much use in Quebec with its seemingly hit-or-miss record keeping! And having been a census taker on several occasions in my province, before the last couple of census years, we HAD to go around personally and actually sit at the kitchen table with a awkward book & write down what the chosen household member was telling us - usually the wife.  It wasn't until recently that Canada changed to sending out the forms in the mail & the householder has to fill everything in thus opening the way for errors. Many people would add in a family member even if they were visiting or studying somewhere else when what should ACTUALLY happen is that whatever household the AWOL family member was visiting would be the one where they were counted.  Anyway, I suspect Mary Emma will have to be left for a while.  I've still got a pile of family documents to sort through so perhaps something is there.

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Canada / Re: Mary Emma Williams death
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 22:51 GMT (UK)  »
If Mary Emma was buried from the same church that the children were baptized in.....

The online records for this church appear to NOT have 1903 as part of the collection. This may explain why the burial can't be found.

My suggestion matches an earlier one....IMHO, you need to apply for the death date ($5.00 option) from the cemetery.

PB

Unfortunately, the death date on the cemetery headstone is quite possibly WRONG; I contacted the cemetery & all they said was "1903" which doesn't explain the discrepancy between the headstone and the 1911 census.   It says she died 1903 however she's still alive in the 1911 census. What I've done is found researchers in Quebec to see if they can locate her death from 1911 to 1912. After that will leave it for a while.  It's really unfortunate that everyone who WOULD know is now dead or suffering from Alzheimer disease.

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Canada / Re: Mary Emma Williams death
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 22:02 GMT (UK)  »

and another baptised same day - Charles Sydney

born 2 April 1896 baptised 18 June 1899

Sandra

LOL - Rowland, Charles & Harry were born 1894, 1896 & 1898 so it sound as if the parents rounded them all up, got them "spit & polished" at the same time & got them to the church!!  Thanks for those

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Canada / Re: Mary Emma Williams death
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 20:46 GMT (UK)  »

Roland/Rowland Percival Bowen born 13 June 1894 and baptised 18 June 1899

Sandra

Thank you so much!!  That "Methodist" designation is probably just for "convenience" although I'll have to check out the non-conformist links.   Mary Emma Williams was the daughter of a Unitarian minister in England.  When Howard Prime Bowen married his second wife, he listed his religion as "Unitarian".  I am the keeper of the MASSIVE marble clock given to Mary Emma's father, Samuel Fletcher Williams, when he retired along with the illuminated "thank you" piece of paper that came with the clock.  I've found that my branch of the Bowen family is rather fluid about religion.  Some of them are Methodists, some Anglican, some Congregationalist, some Huguenot, some Plymouth Brethren.  I often wonder what it was like at the dinner table when the Congregationalist sister-in-law chatted with the brother-in-law who was with the Plymouth Brethren or her sister, who was Unitarian.  Possibly it's one of those cases where they never talked about religion or politics!!

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