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Thank you.

So I guess it's pretty likely that I have connected the right children to James Jone & Sarah Carter then.

James Richard Jones b. 1910 Warrington
Beatrice Evelyn Jones b. 1912 Warrington
Frederick Thomas Jones b. 1914 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones b. 1916 Warrington

Just thought it was weird that their father would be listed as James Jones on pretty much every record, except for 3 of the children's birth certs. where he suddenly gets the middle name HILL

Hi all,

I'm researching my GGM's first husband and the children they had together and am finding some conflicting info. I wondered if anyone would be able to help sanity-check what I have?

James Jones m. Sarah Carter on 19 Oct 1910, in Stockton Heath.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3FV-GZJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3LN-R43

In 1911 the couple lived at 23 Bridgewater Street with their son James Richard Jones (the address on his birth cert. matches his parent's parish marriage record).

James Jones Snr was 25 yrs old on the 1911 census, making his birth year abt 1886. It also says he was born in Ludlow, Shropshire. There were 5x James Jones born 1886 +/- 2 years in Ludlow. I don't have a mother's maiden name for him yet.

I believe James Jones Snr died before Nov 1919 as Sarah married my GGF, Joseph White, on 15 Nov in Warrington. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFNZ-WX8. She is listed as a widow, living at 10 Bridgewater Street, and the ages/parents' names all match up.

I wondered if James and Sarah had any more children, and after searching the Lanc-OPC for baptisms using the surname Jones + mmn Carter, I found:

Beatrice Evelyn Jones b. 1912 Warrington
Frederick Thomas Jones b. 1914 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones b. 1916 Warrington

All 3 of these children have the address 10 Bridgewater Street on their baptism and birth certs.... but their father is listed as James Hill Jones. Every other record I've found for him lists him as just James Jones. What's the likelihood that I've mixed families up here? Everything else seems to match up, but where has the middle name Hill come from?

I've searched the census and can only find 1x James Hill Jones living in Warrington with a father called Richard (as per the marriage record). That address is 48 Howard Street and shows a sibling called Beatrice E which would correlate, but James' birthplace is Worcestershire. There are no other James Jones b. abt 1886 on any census in Warrington.

Another thing is, several ancestry trees list James Jones serving in the military (soldier number 16268) and died in action in 1917 in France. But I've searched Fold3 for his soldier number and the pension ledger gives his name as James Joseph Jones - so I think that's a completely different person.

Can anyone help to fill in the blanks, please? Where was James prior to 1911? Was he in the military? When did he die?

Thanks for reading, sorry it's a lot of info to digest!

Sorry, I was standing on the side of a football pitch when replying earlier :/

This is all the info I have:

Bryan Noon b. 1821 (?) in Ireland - no baptism record, birth year/place taken from the censuses. He died Oct 1894 in Warrington, Lancs. I have his death certificate. He worked as an ag. labourer/gen. labourer.

Margaret Jordan b. 1823 (?) in Ireland - no baptism record, birth year/place taken from the censuses. No death record as yet.

They had 5 Children that I know of:
Bridget b. 1845 in Ireland
Mary b. 1851 in Ireland (my 3GGM)
Sarah b. 1854 in Warrington
James b. 1856 in Warrington
John b. 1859 in Warrington

I have birth certificates for Sarah, James and John - all showing their father as Bryan Noon and their mother as Margaret (formerly Jordan/Shurdon). All names/places etc link up with the other info I have.

The family moved from Ireland to Warrington and the first census I can find them on is from 1861.
They mostly lived at Foundry Street, but moved house numbers a few times. The censuses don't give a specific area of Ireland for any births.

I have the marriage certificate for their daughter Mary (my 3GGM) who married John Mullins in Warrington in 1867 and names/places all link up. John's baptism shows he was from Galway. Their daughter Sarah later lived on Foundry Street and she's listed as the informant/granddaughter on Bryan Noon's death certificate with the same address as him.

I cannot find baptism records for Bridget or Mary Noon.
And I cannot find a marriage for Bryan and Margaret.

Hello,

I'm trying to find a marriage record for my 4GGPs Bryan Noon and Margaret Jordan. They had 2 children born in Ireland between 1845-1851 (Bridget and Mary), so I imagine they married around 1845 or earlier. I can't find a parish register entry for the marriage so wondered if someone else might have better luck than me.

I believe Bryan was born around 1821 going by his age on England Census records from 1861 onwards. But his death certificate says he was 59yo in 1894.
And I believe Margaret was born around 1823, again going by her age on the census records.

Spelling variations from other documentation I have:
- Bryan/Brian/Brun
- Noon/Noone/Newn
- Jordan/Shurdon

Please let me know if I need to provide any further info. Thank you