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Later in 1890, New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, the death register for Charles Grant includes no mention to the alias Brown (although it seems that Isabella Grant's maiden name is McIntosh? A sometimes-used alias of the Grants...).

Re the mother's maiden surname being given as McIntosh rather than Grant, it is not unusual to find errors with the names of parents on death certificates. It all depends on the knowledge of the informant. Even a grandchild might not know their grandparents' names, especially if they had died some time ago or lived in a different area.

Yes, I do think that is quite possible.

I have only found one reference to McIntosh as a maiden name, and I do not think that Peter & Mary Grant/Brown moved with the family from Banffshire to Aberdeenshire in the 1840s. Isabella, the informant, may not have even met Mary/Isabella Grant, but I am not sure of when she died. I have evidence of the in-laws of Charles Grant, the McGregors, moving to New Pitsligo, but not the Grants.

Will have to keep looking in other records to try and clear this up!

I live in Australia, which makes it difficult to access some records, but the digitised records for the areas I am looking into are still great. Do you have any recommendations for where to look for Kirkmichael/New Pitsligo records? I've looked through a lot of the info on ScotlandsPeoples.

Ashley
(Australia)

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Hi Camcam,

Sorry, I only just logged back on after some time offline. I greatly appreciate your response - it is nice to know that someone else has looked at this family too. I think there is at least a 2nd Grant alias Brown family in the area at the time with a Peter Grant too. I'll include info I have below. I hope it can be of assistance to you.

Kirkmichael = KM

Early Marriages - KM OPR
Peter Grant, Fodderletta & Mary Grant, Inveravon married 2/6/1800.
Peter Brown, Soldier, Belaggan & Mary Grant, married 23/10/1800.

Children in OPRs
1. William, Peter Brown, Belaggan, & Mary Grant 10/5/1801.
2. James, Peter Brown Grant, Belaggan & Mary Grant 21/8/1803.
3. Sophia, Peter Brown alias Grant, Belaggen, & Isobel Grant 15/4/1804.
4. Ann, Peter Brown alias Grant, soldier, & Mary Grant 11/3/1807.
5. Patrick, Peter Grant Bualranick, Mary Grant 21/7/1809.
6. Mary, Peter Grant alias Brown & Isabella Grant 3/3/1811.
7. John, Peter Grant & Mary Grant, Bualranich 20/8/1811.
8. Isabel, Peter Grant alias Brown & Isabel Grant 29/5/1813.
9. Charles, Peter Grant & Mary Grant, Bualranach 17/8/1814.
10. Grace, Peter Grant Brown & Isabel Grant. Ballagan 9/7/1816.
11. Sarah, Peter Grant alias Brown, Bualnarich & Mary Grant 18/3/1818.
12. Charles, Peter Grant Brown, Gullergreen & Isobel Grant 5/10/1819.

I tentatively draw 2 groupings from these:
1. Bellagan: William, James, Sophia, Ann, Mary, Isabel, Grace, Charles. The mother is 'Mary' & 'Isobel'.
2. Bualranich: Patrick, John, Charles, Sarah.

Related Marriages/Deaths
1. Isabel/Isabella & John Downie. Dies aged 72 in Corgarff. Parents are listed as Peter Grant, Ferryboat-man & Grace Grant M.S. Brown. 26/12/1891.
2. John Grant & Ann Forbes. He dies 13/10/1895 in Lyngarrie, KM. Parents listed as Peter Grant (Crofter) & Mary Grant.
3. Charles Grant at Auchorachan, Inveravon aged 29 & Mary McGrigor (KM) marry few days before 1841 census. In the census, they live at Bush of Auchnarrow. Charles Grant died in New Pitsligo, aged 72. Parents listed as Peter Grant (Gen Labourer) & Isabella Grant nee McIntosh. 9/8/1890. The informant is my direct ancestor, daughter Isabella Hutcheson, who lived in Rosehearty.
4. Sophia Brown dies aged 47 in Tomintoul. 30/3/1851. She was an unmarried pauper. Since she dies before 1855, it did not record her parents.
5. A Peter Grant dies, aged 76, at Boat Croft of Balluntruan (KM). 28/6/1856. Parents: Peter Grant & Ann Christie. Informant was Peter Grant, son (I have not found probable records for the son). Buried in the Churchyard of KM.

My tentative hypotheses from this information:
1. The Peter Grant who is a ferry boatman is also the one who died at Boat Croft.
2. McIntosh could be an error in the death cert for Charles Grant, but it could also be an alias.

Charles Grant & Mary McGregor
1. Alexander McGregor Grant (c 1841/3) moves to Lanarkshire. Interestingly, his death cert (aged 85 in 1925) lists Charles Grant as a Distillery Worker. On Isabella's marriage cert it lists Charles Grant as a Servant at Brewery. I have been unable to locate the exact Brewery, but it was passed down orally through the family that there was some indirect connect to Grant whisky.
2. Robert (c 1847) marries Mary Kelman. Dies in Chile.
3. Isabella (1849) marries William Hutcheson.
4. Charles (1855) settles in Western Australia.
5. According to another record I have (still trying to find it again), Mary & Charles had four living children in 1855 (three boys, 1 girl) and one girl who had died. Tracking unknown siblings may give more info on the parents (census, death certs, place of birth).

Other Events - Brushes with the law
1. In 1853, Peter Grant alias Brown from Boat Croft of KM is not guilty of fishing illegally in the water of Lochy. Probably the same Peter who dies in 1856?
2. In 1853, a John Grant or Brown in Cairnday, Inveravon, was found guilty of trespass in pursuit of game at Shand's Hall, Dufftown. I suspect this is the same John Brown Grant aged 23, convicted of sheep-stealing at Auchorachan Farm, residing in Cavindey, Glenlivet (born KM). Was sentenced to 12m imprisonment at the General Prison in Perth in 1860. I haven't found Cavindey/Ciarnday, I suspect it is in gaelic on the old maps.
3. A Charles Grant alias Brown was charged with Assault in Banff but there were no proceedings. 1/12/1841. Unsure of relation.
4. Grace Grant has a child out of wedlock (John) and pleads guilty to exposure. Sheriff sentences her to 6wk in the Prison of Banff. There is a dispute between Kirk Sessions of Inveravon (where John was left) & KM as to care/costs of the child. By 1851, John is living with Grace in KM. According to Session Minutes, John was left outside the door of Peter Grant in Milton of Tombrachachie (Tombreakachy). Unsure if related. Grace named the father as John Grant, soldier. I think it is probably the John Grant living in Tombreachachie Stable Loft in the 1841 census. She dies unmarried aged 57. 7/7/1870. Parents listed as Peter Grant alias Brown & Isabella MS Grant. Both deceased.

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Banffshire / Grant aliases in the Kirkmichael and Tomintoul Area - Grant alias Brown?
« on: Saturday 16 January 21 15:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,


I've had a look through existing posts on the Grant family in the Tomintoul and Kirkmichael area, but haven't seen anything that might help me out with my conundrum here. It stems from research relating to my previous post about the place name Gullergreen:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841692.msg7080716#msg7080716

The Grants seemed to have used a great number of aliases; some more than others. My Grants appear to have used the alias Brown in the 1800s. I have not been able to track further back than that time period.

Does anyone recognise the Grant alias Brown?

It does not appear to be one of the more commonly-used aliases by the Grants, and I have had no luck so far tracing it in any of the genealogies or sites so far (admittedly, I have not gone through all of them in great depth).

The alias first appears in my research within baptism records from the Kirkmichael and Tomintoul area:

  • 29th May 1813 Isabel, daughter to Peter Grant alias Brown by Isabel Grant his spouse
    (Although there are other Grants on the same page, none use the alias Brown)
  • 6th July 1816 Grace, daughter to Peter Grant Brown Ballagan(?) by Isabel Grant his spouse.
    (Although there are other Grants on the same page, none use the alias Brown)
  • 29th Sep 1819 Charles Grant, son of Peter Grant (Brown) in Gullergreen by Isobel Grant
    (Again, although there are other Grants on the same page, none use the alias Brown)

In 1870, in a death register from Tomintoul, Grace is listed as 'Grace Grant alias Brown', and her parents Peter Grant alias Brown and Isabella Grant nee Grant.

Later in 1890, New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, the death register for Charles Grant includes no mention to the alias Brown (although it seems that Isabella Grant's maiden name is McIntosh? A sometimes-used alias of the Grants...).

If anyone is familiar with this alias or knows of further resources I can sift through, that would be greatly appreciated.

Lastly, if it helps identify the relevant Grants, the Grant connection comes through an Isabella Grant who married a William Hutcheson in 1870. Her parents were Charles Grant (born 1819) and Mary McGregor (born to Alexander McGregor and Grace Cameron in 1820). I am stuck at Charles' father, Peter Grant alias Brown.


Many Thanks,


Ashley from Australia
  ;D


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Banffshire / Re: Place in Kirkmichael and Tomintoul Area - Colourgeen?
« on: Saturday 16 January 21 10:35 GMT (UK)  »
You seek Gullergreen north of the Tomantoul Kirk where the Conglass Water and Avon meet.

Here's a map https://maps.nls.uk/view/216442896

Don





Thank you very much Don, it is much appreciated!

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Banffshire / Re: Place in Kirkmichael and Tomintoul Area - Colourgeen?
« on: Saturday 19 December 20 02:18 GMT (UK)  »
Sure, I initially didn't upload a bigger snippet, in fear of going over the size limit for images.

The place names I have been able to identify on the same page are: Glenconglass, St Bridget, Tomintoul, Croughly, Rhidorach (Redorach/ Reidh Dorch), Glenlivat (Glenlivat).

Looking through the old maps, I still haven't managed to find something similar to 'Colourgreen'.

Thanks,

Ashley.

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Banffshire / Place in Kirkmichael and Tomintoul Area - Colourgeen?
« on: Saturday 19 December 20 00:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I've been trying to work out the proper name/ location of this place identified in an OPR of the Kirkmichael and Tomintoul area (see image below).

It says something like COLOURGEEN, COBURGEEN or COLOURGREN? But I haven't been able to find a location spelt similarly to this in the area.

For context, this baptism record is from 1819, the child is Charles Grant, parents Peter Grant alias Brown and Isabel Grant. Charles Grant later marries Mary McGregor and dies c. 1890.

Any help in identifying where this is would be greatly appreciated,

Ashley from Melbourne, Australia:)

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Alexander Noble - but which one?? (Re The Nobles in Fraserburgh)
« on: Saturday 05 December 20 13:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks hdw,

Apologies for the late reply, I've been having a good look around for an ebook version of the Christian Watt Papers and have had no luck. Looks like I'll have to find a paperback (hopefully someone's got a secondhand copy in Australia!). Thank you very much for the recommendation!

On another note, for those that are interested, I've since been able to narrow down the Nobles in my family tree to:

Joseph Noble (b:1868, Fraserburgh) - Mary Bella Hutcheson
Alexander Noble (b: 1846, Fraserburgh) - Ann Stephen
Andrew Noble (b: 1817, Fraserburgh) - Helen May
Alexander Noble (b: 1779, Fraserburgh) - Margaret Noble
Gilbert Noble (1745 or 1755, Fraserburgh) - Margaret Crawford


If anyone is also a descendent of Gilbert Noble & Margaret Crawford, I'd be interested to compare notes (not to be confused with the Gilberts of a similar age married to 'Ann Crawford' and 'Jane Crawford' respectively).

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Alexander Noble - but which one?? (Re The Nobles in Fraserburgh)
« on: Sunday 25 October 20 06:34 GMT (UK)  »
I've since been looking into Alexander and Margaret Noble, and have a copy of the death certificate of Andrew Noble (1817-1885). I was wondering if anyone can read the occupation/ profession of the father (Alexander) on this certificate? I've tried googling a few different kinds of abbreviations for common occupations, but had no luck. (I think I've attached it to this post)

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Alexander Noble - but which one?? (Re The Nobles in Fraserburgh)
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 03:13 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your help - I'll be following up on both those leads.

I have been treating a lot of the family trees on those sites with caution, especially as it seems like a lot of the information has likely been replicated from 1 or 2 sources?  I’ll definitely be following up the info from Andrew's death record and correcting course.

I'm not sure what tee-names are - I assume that's what I've been calling 'nicknames'? Would love to know more about that.

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