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Travelling People / Re: Cartwright…
« on: Friday 30 June 23 01:08 BST (UK)  »
ok, I know they are from Staffordshire in 17-1800. NOT celtic… found the name identified in celtic traveller msgboard w staffordshire being their origin, but there are a lot of cartwrights… better than nothing!

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Travelling People / Re: Cartwright…
« on: Thursday 29 June 23 01:59 BST (UK)  »
sorry, messed up edit button.

will check out. think it would be 1800s, which makes this harder.  :-[

was asking to see if anyone had any travelling cartwrights or if was a rumor that its a traveller name. will get back to you with more info soon… thanks

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Travelling People / Re: Cartwright…
« on: Thursday 29 June 23 01:16 BST (UK)  »
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Travelling People / Cartwright…
« on: Thursday 29 June 23 00:20 BST (UK)  »
I saw Cartwright was a celtic traveller name… anyone know of a Cartwright in their family? checking off boxes..

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Travelling People / Re: Help tracing possible Romany ancestors in the Lambeth/Wandsworth/Surrey area.
« on: Monday 24 October 22 03:30 BST (UK)  »
Sometimes family stories are quite valuable, so it is good you have those rather than the typical obscurement. I think you definitely have grounds to pursue a Romany connection, in fact, it sounds like you already know, it is just the matter of finding the records.

Appleby especially helps!

Let’s focus on the possible Catalonian connection. Do you know where (what city, in particular) they were located, as well as the names of those living there? I saw you had some last names, already!

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Travelling People / Re: GRAY Family
« on: Sunday 23 October 22 01:33 BST (UK)  »
It is so disheartening to see the ancestry tree is incorrect, but Canada checks with the later descendants. Good work, gang. There must have been confusion with the Hellen and Ellen.

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Travelling People / Re: Help tracing possible Romany ancestors in the Lambeth/Wandsworth/Surrey area.
« on: Sunday 23 October 22 01:17 BST (UK)  »
I will say that ancestry rarely picks up Romany heritage. My father has Romanichal and Colombian Romany (Fernandes, if you have any family with that surname, it’s a prominent Iberian Kale name), and the North Indian showed up in his father but not in him. It is notoriously unreliable, and DNA right now is not entirely enough to give you a definitive yes or no. I might be wrong, but that’s what I understand.

Yes, it’s likely your family may have married into gadje lines.

I have some family, Davies, that were Romany and coal miners, but again, Romany can really have any job. They are not even necessarily nomadic. Those are just easier indicators.

The horse work is a good indicator that you may have Romany ancestry, if we go by that, but you need concrete records to definitively say. Do you have any written record for their employment?

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Travelling People / Re: GRAY Family
« on: Sunday 23 October 22 00:11 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jc26red on Saturday 22 October 22 23:20 BST (UK)
Ancestry trees has them going to Canada c 1894 but had a daughter Agnes born 1893 in Quebec?

Is this correct?

I doubt the tree I was looking at is correct, It has them living in NY around the time they were having children in Liverpool.

I agree, that doesn’t look correct. I don’t even know that there was an Agnes, but again, ancestry is odd and I found out there were far more siblings than originally thought.

This is just about what I needed!

As for the housekeeper bit, that does look correct. Thank you so much.

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Travelling People / Re: GRAY Family
« on: Saturday 22 October 22 17:17 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jc26red on Saturday 22 October 22 16:31 BST (UK)
Do you have her death or names/DOB of any children?

We generally need something that you have confirmed to build on, perhaps come forward a little, it might help the very helpful roots chatters

I hope I’m doing this right  :)
She had a daughter named Ellen Ada Cann around 1868-67? She was a dressmaker and hawker as well (we think she likely sold fabric), but she also went by Ellen Gray too, which is why I think I’m having trouble tracking her mother.

That marriage looks correct!

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