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England / Re: Lightowlers Link to Littleborough
« on: Tuesday 13 April 10 23:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Again

I've got to record this before I forget - in Old Norse (Viking) lita or possibly litr, means to stain(colour), and olr, means Alder tree.

Paul

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England / Re: Lightowlers Link to Littleborough
« on: Tuesday 13 April 10 23:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone

Getting back into researching 'Lightowlers' again (I wish I could devote more time!); I have had to rebuild my original fusiveweb site. New site is here www.lightowlers.yolasite.com . I have just added an interesting link re Vikings in the Rochdale area - I've got red hair, as did my paternal grandfather - maybe something in it???

One website gives this "A number of explanations have been offered for the meaning, the best explanation is that it is a development of the Olde English pre 7th century "liste-alr", meaning "a copse of light alder trees", or similar." So maybe Linda has got us on the right trail (alr is correct, not sure about meaning of liste though).

Regards

Paul

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England / Lightowlers Link to Littleborough
« on: Tuesday 15 July 08 13:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi All

Hopefully the title got your attention.

Doing some web searches threw up this:

George Redmonds - "Migration and the linguistic development of surnames"
the snippit said it could be found in Family History 11 n. 77/78.
Apparently it traces the name Lihtolers from 13th Century Littleborough
and it's tranformation and spread into Yorkshire.

I have been trying in vain to source a copy.

Apparently Dr Redmonds is an expert on Yorkshire names (and Lancashire in this case).

The document sounds too good to be true - but here's hoping!

Let me know if you've already seen it - or can get a copy.

Regards

Paul Lightowlers

ps message to Dave the Tyke (Hi Dave, have you changed your email address?)

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The Common Room / Re: Were any of your Relatives on Titanic ? or sister ship Britannic ? /++
« on: Thursday 23 November 06 13:35 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: dave the tyke on Saturday 07 January 06 23:17 GMT (UK)
Family gossip has it that Titanic 2nd mate Lightowlers is related to the Lightowler side of my family. He survived gave evidence and went on to take his yacht 'Sundowner' over to Dunkirk to rescue soldiers from the beaches, that was in his retirement.
I would love to find the link.

Dave,

Family gossip no more - Charles Herbert Lightoller (2nd Officer Titanic) is a descendant of Rodger de Lihtolres (12th Century Littleborough - from Henry Fishwick's History of Rochdale). I have a copy of the back of a painting of Wyndebanks written on by Charles' wife quoting some of the family history from Fishwick's book.

I also see from other posts that you are struggling to connect the Yorkshire families (Lightowler(s)) with those of Lancashire (Littleborough) - so am I! If you would like to discuss, let me know.

Regards

Paul

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