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Scotland / Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« on: Monday 22 June 20 15:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi, 

Thanks for all this information. It doesn't help in finding the ancestors of Erick Sutherland (father of Jean Sutherland who married Lewis Anderson) but it opened my eyes to the fact that the elusive link to the famous (and infamous) Sutherland family may have come through the Anderson line.

I do have the marriage of Leonard Anderson to Katherine or Marjory Sutherland, but it never occurred to me that this is where the link was. Just goes to show how you can be blind to clues in information you already have.

So I'll go hunting and see if this time I can connect the dots.

Greenvalley

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Scotland / Re: A grandfather who had no children???
« on: Saturday 20 June 20 16:19 BST (UK)  »
I really loved the storey of the unintended migration of Alexander! He must have loved the new land seeing that he didn't try to get back to Scotland.

Sadly it seems that you have as many confusing Sutherlands as I managed to find. The one I was looking at was called Erick and he was a farmer and portioner in Duffus where he was born, married and died. Some of his descendants claimed the family link to William Sutherland of Roscommon, but I have been unable to find a birth for Erick in 1748.

Good luck with your research.

Greenvalley

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Wednesday 22 January 20 15:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Gan Yam

You saw the birth of Mary Thom Dauney, in which her fathers name is written as Danny.

There is, in Falmouth, a Mr William Danny, who in 1774 is given  contract to build a church (from The History of Trelawny Parish)
it was not until the 9th of January, 1774, when it was again brought up. It was then Resolved that the several orders passed at the former Vestry respecting the building of a Church at Falmouth be rescinded--there being an Act which was passed during the sessions in December last appointing certain Commissioners for that and other purposes. In that same year the contract was awarded to William Danny for the sum of £9,000. ....  The building was completed in the year 1796. Mr. Danny received his final instalment of £3,000 on the 31st July, 1797


He also built a bridge  This system of transport continued until in 1790 a wooden bridge was built at a cost of £1,750, by one William Danny.

And then I found this: The Barracks, now the Falmouth Government School was also owned by local Government, but it appears that grants were sometimes made to the Vestry by Central Government to provide certain official amenities. In October, 1803, William Danny completed the building of the Magazine at a cost of £1,500. It was made 15 feet square with walls to 5 feet in thickness with a crown of the arch 2 feet in thickness.

The papers from Aberdeen state that William Dauney built houses in 1770 and then it leaps to 1801. That is why I think that William Dauney the stonemason/architect is a contemporary of the Rev Francis, not a son but a brother, Then all those building dates make sense.

However, I also think that the William Dauney who married Martha Coghill in 1788 and Louisa Ellis about 1793 - 1794 was the son of William the stonemason/architect. (Mainly because I shudder at the thought that the 16 year old Louisa married a man 60 years or more older than she was. And that the old man married 2 younger women within 6 years. I know that is possible, but I do't buy it.

Unfortunately, I still haven't found any births for William senior or junior, only William the grandson. I also don't know how strict they used the term "uncle". I remember that, when I was a child, I would refer to my gran's brother as my uncle Peter. Perhaps that's what happened heare as well.

Anyway, none of this is very important within the family tree, Louisa is a 3x great grandmother on the Lamont side. So William Dauney was the half brother of my 2x great grandmother.

But I cannot let it go, I just can't accept that I am unable to find these people. And I am intrigued. It's a puzzle and I will keep worrying away at it.

Thanks so far to everybody who has come up with much valued replies.





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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Wednesday 22 January 20 15:15 GMT (UK)  »
Searching SP with fuzzy matching selected turns up a John Dauncy, father Francis Dauncy, bap. 1761 Banchory Ternan. However the date doesn't correspond with the birth date given in the Fasti for Rev Francis's son John. This may be yet another child who died. Probably doesn't help though.

Thanks for your help, but no, it doesn't bring me any nearer to the William Dauney conundrum.

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Wednesday 22 January 20 10:32 GMT (UK)  »
According to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae, Rev. Francis Dauney had a son William b 30 Aug 1756.  Could he have been the one who married Louisa Ellis? Their son William b. in Aberdeen is said to have been adopted by his uncle, which would fit since Alexander, son of Rev. Francis, was William's elder brother.

Yes, but then he cannot be the stonemason, beause that William built his first houses in Aberdeen 1770, when the son of the Rev Francis was only 14 years old. That is why I discounted that option.

Also, it was the stonemason who went to Jamaica, so he has to be the vital link.

I just can't understand why a family that crops up in so many articles and references does not appear on the Parish records.  ???

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 17:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gan Yam

For clarification, William (stonemason), Frances, Alexander and Barbara were 4 of Rev Dauney children?  Francis, Alexander and Barabara were, not sure about William Stonemason, he could be a brother of Rev Dauney

Louisa Ellis was born in London in 1777 and remarried Mr Lamont after her Williams death? Yes, she was baptized 3 March 1777 in Dulwich London and married Frederick Lamont 11 July 1810 in Jamaica, The marriage states that she is the widow of Dauney.

The burial record in 1804 could be either William the stone mason or William the husband of Louisa?
Yes, it could be either man. There was a William Dauney in Jamaica who was an architect/builder, so he could be her husband, but he would have been very much older than his wife.

Mary Dauney was born in 1790 (cant find a birth in 1794) that would make Louisa only 13 when she was born, could she be the daughter Martha Coghill and William Dauney rather than Louisa? No, her name is Mary Thom Dauney. The Jamaican records state: Mary Thom Dauney, the daughter of William Danny (name written incorrectly) and his wife Louisa was born March 1794 and baptized March 1797.

As you say Martha died in England in 1793 and its known that William stonemason built his brothers house in 1795. so he and Louisa could have met at this time. Possibly, but the stonemason was in Aberdeen and Louisa either in London or in Jamaica, as her father moved there sometime after her birth.

Is it possible that the young Louisa (23 in 1800), and the much older William the stonemason were the parents of adopted William? Maybe Louisa was the nanny/governess for Mary originally?
just speculation of course!! William Dauney and his wife Luisa are definately the parents of the adopted William. After the death of her 2nd husband Louisa returns to England and lives with her son, who at that time was in Edinburgh, for a while. Both her children from her first marriage are also mentioned in her will.

Still no certainty whether she was married to the stonemason or a son of the  stonemason.

Added She actually only mentions her son Willim, probably because her daughter Mary had died in 1824

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 14:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monica

Yes, I had come accross those. As I said, I have googled myself silly.

Only today I realised that William Dauney Sr may have been in Aberdeen in May 1802, because he is advertising some property for sale. In an ad a year later in 1803 only Alexander Dauney is given as contact as his solicitor.

But then again, it may as well have been junior who went to Aberdeen to sort the estate of his late father before going back to Jamaica.

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 14:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Archivos

Thanks. Yes, I did find that one.

That William Dauney was the first husband of Louisa Ellis. They also had a daughter, Mary Thom Dauney, born in Jamaica in 1794. So they were in Jamaica, travelled back to Aberdeen and then went to Jamaica again where William passed away in 1804.

Perhaps the story is that his dad, William the master mason went to Jamaica with his family and that William Jr met Louisa there. She was born in March 1777, so very very young to have been married and with child in March 1794.  :o :o

Unfortunately I can't go to Edinburgh. Don't like leaving the house so travel virtually impossible. I will keep digging though.

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The Common Room / Re: What am I doing wrong???
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
Yes Monica, the Rev Francis Dauney at Montego bay was the son of the Reverend Francis Dauney of Banchory and therefore a brother to Alexander Dauney, the advocate.

So he is family, but unfortunately, it doesn't lead me nearer to William.

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