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I am also having the same trouble and had given up. Thanks for posting as I thought there was something wrong with my computer/ internet.

Regards,

KiwiRose

Hello J,

Thank you for asking about your uncle’s DNA British roots and any British Military registers online, or similar. Rootschatters answers will be of interest to myself and possibly others in a similar position. An Ancestry DNA test recently resulted in a surprise, mystery 2-3 cousin match to a child born to a German woman and an unknown WW2 British occupation solder in my tree. This unknown soldier, with the only clue being a very common Christian name, must be someone in my large extended English family. It is a sensitive subject as the solder’s immediate family may have no knowledge of this child so I need to tread very carefully.

Good luck in your search for your uncle’s biological father.

Regards,

KiwiRose.

Scotsmum,

Thanks for all your thoughts and ideas as to how I could further research my Redmond puzzle. I do appreciate your assistance.

At the moment, the assumption seems to be that Hannah was Christopher Redmond's second wife, when, if indeed he was even the same Christopher listed by Jemima and Elizabeth, perhaps she was his third.

So,  if Jemima and Elizabeth were born pre Christopher's marriage to Hannah in1847, but post Christopher juniors c1830s birth, this allows for the possibility that Christopher snr may have been married in-between and for any potential second wife to have brought two daughters to the marriage (if such a second wife existed, she too may have been widowed).

The idea that Christopher Snr had an in-between wife who maybe brought two daughters to the marriage seems to be a strong possibility now well worth investigating. Establishing more accurate dates of the birth/christening for Christopher Jnr, Elizabeth and Jemima could well be a breakthrough though I am doubtful records still exist or be found online. Presumably the names of both parents would be included on the record. I long ago learned that someone’s age in Census/ death records are variable and often best estimates!

In one visitation entry note in Presbyterianism in Buckna book for 1850, a family of Mr Redmond + wife + children, the minister has 'Episcopalian' recorded beside them.

I have little knowledge of what exactly an Episcopalian is other than presuming it is a person associated with a protestant branch of the Anglican church. Church of Ireland? (Thanks to a very, very quick google search.)

Do you know if any of Jemima or Elizabeth's descendants have gone down the DNA route?

I have no knowledge of any of Christopher Jnr, Elizabeth (Redmond) Cupples descendants going down the DNA route. I’m aware that one descendant of Jemima (Redmond) McNeill’s (6th generation) has had a DNA test but I need to find out more details. Working out DNA connections is a mystery for me. Not sure as to how useful the DNA would be with someone being seven generations away from Christopher Snr, presuming Christopher is Jemima’s birth father, or in eliminating him.

I’m going to be busy researching all the new Redmond possibilities.

Kind regards,
KiwiRose.

Scotsmum. Thinking outside the box often can bring down a brickwall. Thanks for your suggestion that Christopher could have been a stepdad. I hadn’t thought of that possibility so researched the idea.

Hannah married widowed Christopher Redmond in 1847.
Hannah was 83yrs when she died in 1901, so would have been born c1817.  If Elizabeth Redmond, later Cupples, was born c1839 (based on her age at death) Hannah would have been c22yrs old and at Jemima’s 1843-1845 birth she’d have been c26yrs, so your tip is a probability.

Two of Hannah’s children had died before Hannah:  William in 1868 and a married daughter, Annie Adams in 1890. Also, a possible married daughter or step daughter the above Elizabeth in 1887.

Headstone:
See also Reply 10.

Hannah erected a Redmond/McMullan headstone at the First Broughshane Presbyterian Church in memory of her parents and her children, William and Annie (Adams). I’m unsure if the Thomas Redmond mentioned in his father Christopher Redmond’s 1858 will was from the first family or is a child of Hannah’s. He remains a mystery son. Perhaps he emigrated as I have not found him in any Antrim search. Maybe he died between 1958 and civil registration in 1865. No Thomas on the headstone.

 At the same church was a Cupples headstone that included Elizabeth (Redmond) Cupples d 1887 erected by Elizabeth’s husband, Joseph.

Will:
I also checked out Hannah’s Redmond’s (nee McMullan) will, dated 12 Sept 1891. She only mentions her daughter Harriet Knox and a widowed ‘niece’ Mrs Christopher Redmond (Hannah Jane nee Hamill). She requested Harriet to pay a Mary Eliza Morton?  the sum of €10.

Hannah’s will must have caused a family dispute as there is a case reported in the Ballymena Weekly Telegraph of Nov 9th 1901 involving her executors, Harriet Knox and Robert Montgomery against Thomas Adams who was Hannah’s son in law. I could only view a snippet.

Harriet Knox, Hannah’s only proven surviving child, and family seem to have emigrated to NSW, Australia around 1911.

Names:
None of Elizabeth (Redmond) Cupples or Jemima’s (Redmond) McNeill’s daughters had the name Hannah.

Unfortunately, after researching the idea that Hannah was Elizabeth and Jemima’s mother it now seems less likely.

As not many Presbyterian churches have their pre-registration surviving birth, baptism, and marriage records online then, other than helpful online wills, researching outside civil registration in Ireland to verify relationships is not easy.  I ‘m so grateful that irishgenealogy.ie has all the earliest civil marriage records free on line. The information contained in the marriage records has proven to be very valuable, especially with my common Co. Antrim surnames. I can’t wait for them to make available the 1864 – 1870 death records.  Maybe I’ll spot a clue in one of these death records when available.


Kind regards,
KiwiRose.