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Just one other question now that it occurs to me. We have Peter, Esther and Mary accounted for. But I don't know what happened to Thomas. All the above are James Williams siblings. I thought that Thomas had died as. 'Child' or at least as a young adult and therefore had no children. But...... Looking at BMD records, there are a number of Thomas Smiths in Leeds at that time and around the same age. Am I wrong in assuming he died?

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Wow! Thank you very much for all your time and effort. With my limited resources I have only managed to make best guess at Eileen's children, and even then their marriages have proved difficult to confirm (especially her 1st sons).
Your mention of Sussex. I have one of her children married/ living in Scunthorpe. Does this agree with any of your findings ?
JeannieR. Yes I would very much appreciate it if you could send me the details you have via PM.
With much thanks.
Marmitch

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 I thought that the later the timeline, the easier it would be to find relatives, but in fact the opposite is true. Because of the lack of census material, there are a lot of possible relatives, but no way of tieing them to a family group. I can see a lot of blind alleys coming up. How would you check family groupings say for the 1950 s to 1990s ?
Apart from that, I am making great progress with the tree thanks to rootschatters  ;D

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Update on Eileen.
Apparently she did marry. Her husband was Albert S Tomlinson, who she married in 1939. Can anyone find out if they had children, and if so what were/are their names?
Other info gleaned. She died fairly recently (not sure where). She was in her 90s.

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Thanks Suzard. It's possible that 1900 is a 'rough' estimate of birth. There seem to be a lot of Leonard Smiths born in yorkshire around the turn of the century. I did find a tree (on a website that is no longer available!) that listed peter smith married to Annie Drake, and with Leonard as the son, but at the time I wasn't sure if this was the right family. From the scant info I did make a note of, Leonard appeared to marry. There was a possibility of 2 children (boys) I think.

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Thank you all for your replies.

JeannieR: I was just in the process of checking your info regarding Eileen's whereabouts in 1937, and it would appear to fit the facts regarding possible location. I assume when you say parent's your source also lists them as being alive in 1937. I only ask because I have found a possible death for her father James William in Sept qtr of 1937 (aged 57).
Regarding your latest info, yes I believe that you have the right Peter Smith, and will try to trace his children.

MaryP: I don't as yet have her exact birth date. The one you gave is possible. The birth I know was registered 2nd qtr 1909. 31 March being 1 day short of the start of this qtr, would make it highly likely that the birth would appear in this qtrs records. Thank you. If the death record tallies, then :
a. She didn't marry, and b. There is a strong possibility of no children.


Goughy: Thanks for your reply. I was getting my Esthers and Eileens mixed up for a minute. Yes I think you are right. This is The Esther who is the sister of Peter and James William. Coupled with the grave details from JeannieR, it is helping to narrow the search.



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Thankyou for the information Suzard. It has opened up a new line of research.
Thakyou also Jennifer. if this is the same Eileen, it explains why there are seemingly no family members left in Leeds.

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I am looking for the family of Eileen Mary Smith born Leeds 1909. Her brother Francis died in WW2, and his family subsequently lost touch with the Smith side of the family. I am not sure if she married and had children, and if so what became of them.
Their father James William Smith(born 1880) married Margaret Ann Hughes in 1906 (leeds). I have found him in the 1881 census, but he (along with his father James) disappears from the records until 1906 (marriage). Has anyone any suggestions as to why this may be the case. his mother (Mary) and his siblings are still listed in the 1891 census. I would be interested if anyone has any information on these individuals (Thomas 1873/4, Esther 1876 and Peter Smith 1879)
Many thanks
MM

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Lancashire / Re: Lisieux Hall, Chorley nr Preston
« on: Saturday 12 May 12 18:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Riester

I have looked at the link you posted. Am I right in thinking that the Hall changed hands a lot around the time of the reformation and subsequent Tudor period ending with Elizabeth 1st. The tale I had was that my branch of the family was 'thrown out/disinherited' in favour of another branch of the family due to their refusal to denounce the catholic faith. Apparently the were merchants? of some kind (possibly shipping), and also lost their livlihood too. What I am trying to bear in mind is that the story becomes mixed up/ romanticised etc over the years. In this case centuries.

Also my branch of the Crooks were born in Samlesbury and Brindle. But looking at the census's there are a lot of them around the area, possibly related through common ancestry.

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