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The Common Room / Re: Blue Blood
« on: Monday 06 September 04 18:41 BST (UK)  »
A cachet for americans is to trace their ancestry back to the original "Mayflower Settlers".

I've never understood the prestige of being a Mayflower descendent, as they weren't even the first English settlement in America.  The Jamestown, Virginia settlers have them beat by 13 years, first arriving in 1607.

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According to the number of americans claiming descent from the original settlers, there must have been several thousand passengers on the Mayflower.  The "complete list"... says 99 !

Not sure about your backwards math, here, but I do know another source (http://www.mayflower.org/pilgrim.htm) has the headcount on the boat at 102.  But only about half survived the first winter.  I count roughly 13 generations between 1620 and now.  After thirteen generations, starting with anywhere from 25 to 50 couples each producing multiple children, it is very plausible that there are currently millions of Mayflower descendents.

-Mary

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The Common Room / Re: Blue Blood
« on: Monday 06 September 04 17:23 BST (UK)  »
I am puzzled. A great many American family historians claim that they are descended from Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Sir Isaac Newton, Shakespeare, Alexander the Great and other such famous names - I have seen the Charlemagne claim many times - here is one such website devoted entirely to delusion http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Pond/7984/krslgst.html .
I am particularly amused by those who are "descended from" Richard the Lionheart and Elizabeth I, neither of whom ever had children.
Either "professional" genealogists in the States operate like fortune tellers - you hear what you wish to hear - or the descendants of almost everybody famous simply picked up sticks and went across the Atlantic. Why do the Americans, who grabbed independence well over 200 years ago, strive so hard to prove they are really British?
Why do none of these people with fabulous pedigrees claim kinship to Attila the Hun or Vlad the Impaler or Dr. Crippen? That might be more credible! :P

I can only speak for this American.  It's been my experience that most American genealogists aren't necessarily trying to prove royal, or even English descent, we just want to know who and where we came from.  Unless one is a pure Native American, (formerly referred to as "Indians"), then every American is either an immigrant themselves, or descended from someone who emigrated here within the past 400 years.  And it's the immigration records that make going beyond recent history so tricky.  When we are able to succeed in struggling through the immigration records and tracing our ancestors to some place across the pond, it's a real accomplishment.

One possible theory as to why I think many people claim descent from famous folks is that the hard work has already been done for us -- the genealogies of the famous are well documented and readily available, and it therefore only takes making a connection to a recent ancestor to "hook into" the line of a more distant and perhaps famous (or infamous) one.

Recently, to our utter surprise, a cousin traced our Loper great-grandparents on my mother's side back to King Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine.  Eleanor and Henry are our 22nd great-grandparents.  Eleanor is supposedly descended from Charlemagne (still a bit sketchy on that one -- still some work to do there), so we list him as a possible ancestor of note, without yet having that lineage worked out completely.  It just makes for fun conversation when the family gets together. 

But that's all it really is -- a fun conversational topic within the family.  What would mean much more to us is if we could trace our lineage beyond my father's grandfather.  That branch of the family tree stops with him and has proven incredibly difficult to trace.  If I were able to find out more about him and determine the names of his parents, grandparents, etc., it would mean so much more to me than this English royalty.  I'd gladly throw back all that English heritage to gain more information about my Danish ancestors.

And regarding relationships to more shady, infamous folks, we haven't yet found evidence of a relationship to Attila the Hun, but my sister-in-law is descended from Dr. Mudd, the physician who set John Wilkes Boothe's broken leg after he assassinated Abraham Lincoln.  Mudd's name truly is mud in America!

-Mary

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The Common Room / Re: Found Anyone Famous
« on: Monday 06 September 04 15:58 BST (UK)  »
...if you believe all the legends, then I am related to
King David
(the biblical one !)

Very impressive, Bob!  You do have me beat!  Congrats!

-Mary

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The Common Room / Re: Found Anyone Famous
« on: Monday 30 August 04 01:45 BST (UK)  »
what a pedigree!!

As I replied in the other thread about royalty -- That, and a dollar-twenty-five, will get me a cup of coffee!   ;)

Seriously, though, I had no idea we had any English ancestors, much less royal ones.  It has forced me to start reading about some of your British history!  Quite a few of these monarchs were cads and scoundrels -- not so sure I'm proud to be descended from them!   ::)

-Mary   :)

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The Common Room / Re: Found Anyone Famous
« on: Sunday 29 August 04 23:02 BST (UK)  »
I am an American, and have recently discovered that, on my mother's father's mother's side, (got that?), we're directly descended from British and French monarchs, and this information came as a complete surprise.  We've since discovered that we're related to the following:

    • Charlemagne
    • Egbert
    • Alfred the Great
    • Duke William I of Aquitaine
    • Edward the Confessor
    • William the Conqueror
    • Eleanor of Aquitaine
    • Henry II
    • King John
    • Henry III 
    • Edward I
    • Emperor Ludwig of Bavaria
    • Philippe VI of France
    • Jean II Of France
    • Charles V of France
    • Charles VI of France
    • Henry VII
    • Henry VIII
    • QE2

... among others.  I believe we're direct descendents from all of them (i.e., they're all our umpteenth great-grandparents), except QE2 and the Henry's, who are cousins.  I imagine there are 10 million other folks on earth who can claim the same heritage, but still, I find all of this fairly mind-boggling!  :o

We've also discovered that on my dad's side we're related to St. Therese (the "Little Flower").

Rest assured, the bloodline has thinned out enough to where there is nothing saintly or royal about our current generation!  (I'm not expecting any invitations to Buckingham Palace or the Vatican anytime soon!)  ;)

-Mary
a mere peasant, really

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