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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Ullathorne
« on: Tuesday 14 May 24 13:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your time and research on my Ullathorne family.
It's strange that Sarah Jane is not to be found on the 1881 and 1891 censuses, at least not under Sarah Jane Ullathorne, I've even checked Sarah Jane Smith since one Ullathorne person in the past used 'SMITH' as an alias, but nothing fits.
    I have wondered if the name Pallister is part of the family yet can't find a Sarah Jane.         
                      Please keep me in mind if you find a hint.
                               Thank you again, Kevin.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Ullathorne
« on: Monday 13 May 24 18:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Nell, thank you for that explanation and clarity it's appreciated.

The link to the Elsecar steam engine and it's heritage was interesting to read. We live in Portland Oregon, originally from Stairfoot so more interesting still. Thankyou. 

Yes kgarrad with the Pape's in Wombwell being miners including my grandfather William born 1900-1980 and most of the males on that side of the family, then the Langleys, then it looks like the Ullathorne's, mining absolutely could have been a reason to move from Durham.

Thanks everyone for your help.
 If Sarah Jane moved with family members to the Yorkshire area I haven't located many deaths in Yorkshire that fit and none in the Barnsley area. Pity the witnesses on the marriage to Pape were not direct family members.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Ullathorne
« on: Monday 13 May 24 00:10 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Monika, I'll need to go there, just been looking again for a Joseph as father in that area. There's a Joseph Ullathorne 1850- 1915 who married Margaret Crawford in 1876 in Stanley Durham. Only daughter they had that I can see is Margaret Jane born and died 1876.

None of the Ullathorne's I find moved away from Durham. Surely Sarah Jane would have not moved to the Barnsley area alone.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Ullathorne
« on: Sunday 12 May 24 23:02 BST (UK)  »
So the marriage was at Elsecar!
I see a witness on the certificate is a Frank SMITH, and although a very common name I did notice when researching the family that a male member of an Ullenthorne family used 'Smith' as an alias for some reason. I'll need to backtrack on that.

Yes Monica, possibly she was a Pallister and therefore even her Christian names were changes since I can't find a Sarah Jane otherwise.

Wonder what she was doing in Elsecar and if her 'father' was there also. It doesn't make a lot of sence for a 19 year old female to move from Durhan to Elsecar.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Ullathorne
« on: Sunday 12 May 24 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Molly and Monica, very much.
I appreciate the help.
I did look into the possibility of Sarah Jane being illegitimate, even discounting that her father was a Robert, also the Christian name changes for whatever reason. I did look on the Pallister family a little but it got too late and complicated last night.

Here's what I was going by:
    Detail Source
Name   Sarah Jane Ullathorne
Registration Year   1897
[1897]
Registration Quarter   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district   Barnsley
Inferred County   Yorkshire West Riding
Volume   9c
Page   333
Records on Page (Name)
Isabella Benson
Robert Daniel Jackson
Arthur Pape
Sarah Jane Ullathorne.
==================================
Although I can't take for 100% what another tree on ancestry has as her father (Robert) a marriage certificate would verify the father (hopefully) unless possibly no father due to illegitimacy.
      Pity she didn't live until after the 1939 register was taken.
                              Kevin.

Oh I just saw the marriage certificate you so kindly posted Comberton. Thank you!

I had meant to specify the father as Joseph all along and not ROBERT, my mistake.
So we have her age more or less correct and her fathers name and he's a miner.
    Thanks to all.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Ullathorne
« on: Sunday 12 May 24 21:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello fellow rootschat members.

Can anyone please help locate the parents of the wife of my 2nd great uncle Arthur PAPE.
Her name is Sarah Jane ULLATHORN(e), born l878 in Flamgate Durham and died in Doncaster in 1936.
  She married Arthur Pape on the 24th of May 1897 at Wath on Dearne, Yorkshire.

Only one piece of information can I find online and it's that someone posted on ancestry her father was 'Robert'. I cannot find her on the 1881 or 1891 censuses.
                       Thank you for any help.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Friday 26 April 24 22:50 BST (UK)  »
I guess until we may locate more information and details for Fanny, it looks like we are left with some questions, some 'what if's' yet some possibilities to mull over.
    Thank you so very much all all your time and research, and maybe a piece of information will come to light solidifying Fanny and who she really was.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 18:01 BST (UK)  »
Such great research and interesting news added. Thank you.
Not another 'drunk and riotous' person in our old family ha ha. I thought we had enough with our Irish DUNNIGAN family of Walmgate (2 great grandparents John and Mary coming from 'somewhere' in Ireland). A son of theirs who was John Dunnigan born 1866 in Walmgate was thrown in prison over 20 times for that same thing- and also fighting. He was dishonored by the city of York!!

That railway incident you located is interesting and this person could have been part of the family, but for the longest time many years ago I had the mother of Frederick George (born 1878 in Battersea) as Fanny SHORT who married a Frederick George (sometimes George Frederick) Barfoot which was incorrect of course but I had followed the SHORT line for some time. 

On my tree I do have eleven Duke children and Frederick George BARFOOT right in between them all...making 12 children in all and have that Frederick G. was baptized twice, maybe understandable in the circumstances of being brought up by Duke and family. 

The only information on Frederick George born 1879 is from the online baptism page which you viewed, and his marriage to Elizabeth Langley (who put her father as William LANGLEY who didn't exist...she was illegitimate). Frederick George Jr's mothers mother (mother of Elizabeth Mary) was Amelia Barfoot and married George Bisant (who was 23 years older than Amelia) twenty years after Mary Elizabeth was born. All interesting but complicated as we found out.


  What HAS taken up so many hours of research these last 44 years is trying to verify the father of Frederick George Juniors wife Elizabeth Langley who was sister to my g. grandfather William Langley born 1873 in Barnsley. 
There are only three pieces of information that Elizabeth's father could be a William TAYLOR (too common of a name unfortunately) born about 1840 in Leicester and died in Stairfoot in 1907. My great aunt Nellie born 1898 said he was also her fathers father and "he lived with us and died in our house on Industry road".
 Aunt Nellie once told me that her dads sister Lizzie, and Fred Barfoot and kids used to visit their  family from Hunslet in the 20's and 30's, Fred being a 'train driver'.
      I think I should leave that big Taylor question mark out of this thread as there has been not one piece of info unearthed  in decades to locate Willi Taylors birth and his parents.

               Thank you again for your wonderful research, what a complicated family!


   




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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)  »
Hello.
Ladyhawk it was extremely kind of you to obtain the death information on Ellen Barfoot. It's so appreciated and I wish I could repay you somehow so please let me know if I can.
Thank you very much!

The death information on daughter Ellen clears things up a bit - I think, but I have wondered...since we found no marriage for Fanny to Frederick George Barfoot nor a marriage of Emma to Frederick George even though she was 'Barfoot' when marrying Lomas only that Emma is 'widow' in 1896 a year after Frederick George died, could both sisters have been involved with Frederick George?
  All three might have travelled together and been in Barnsley with at least one child Ellen Barfoot, whom by the way I can find no birth for around 1863-6 in Bottesford or any familiar place.
      Granted Frederick George in his job as contractor moved around a lot.

As it's noted, all three names, Frederick George, Emma and Ellen all lived in the 'contractor huts' as a family it seems.
We know there were actually the two sisters Fanny and Emma but Emma's father was Samuel not Sansum so did Emma fabricate her fathers name on her marriage certificate to Lomas as she did apparently for her then current age? (which I found some women did if they were somewhat older than the man?).

We have a death for Emma Lomas but no Fanny with any familiar surname.
  I still can't understand what happened to Fanny since we know there was a Fanny.

Hope I'm not making things more complicated than they need to be but as you also realize, something is definitely off.
   Thank you again all involved for sticking with this so long. Kevin.

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