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« on: Sunday 22 June 08 06:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks aa1webb for your useful info.
I think the 2xE.Smiths you mention would have described themselves as grandson and granddaughter-in-law of Esau.
Working backward down my tree, my g-grandmother was Martha Smith whose father is shown as John Smith (coal miner) on her wedding cert in 1889. You told me that Esau and Henty had another son called John. Do you know if this John married and had children? If he did he may be our link back to Esau.
Will look up the book you mention, I am still waiting for a copy of Rudge's Brumroamin to come through but I can identify photos from him of Black Patch with photos we have in the family.
There is a suggestion that our family of Gypsys' Smith worked the canals. There was (or is) a canal passing near to Black Patch and there are stories that my g-g-grandfather had a site near the canal outside Bulwell (Notts) and the canals outside Luton (Beds) are mentioned; however, I am not an expert on the Gypsey way of life. Can anyone else help?
Jay Cee