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Derbyshire / Re: Turner Family of Brampton near Chesterfield, Derbyshire
« on: Friday 22 July 11 12:56 BST (UK)  »
I too have ancestors named TURNER from Old Brampton, but they don't seem to fit in with yours.   However, did you know that the TURNER's were orignally at the Adelphi foundry at Sutton-cum-Duckmanton and my particular branch moved to the foundry at Old Brampton (both foundries at Old Brampton and Sutton-cum-Duckmanton were owned by the Smith family of Sheffield) after the Aldephi foundry closed, and then when money problems shut the Old Brampton foundry in the 1830's, my particular branch of the TURNER family moved to Andrew Handyside's foundry in Derby.   I have posted other information regarding these foundries onto a different topic on the forum today concerning a request in the Derbyshire Lookup Requests for "Sutton-cum-Duckmanton Parish Registers - REVILL).   We may find a link between our families, you never know!

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Some of my maternal ancestors (TURNER) who worked in the iron foundry  business, seem to have originated from Sutton-cum-Duckmanton and I was fortunate to purchase a book published by the Derbyshire Record Society "Sutton-cum-Duckmanton Parish Register 1662-1837" edited by Pamela Kettle and Philip Riden, Derbyshire Record Society Volume XVIII, published 1992.   I have looked up the names you requested i.e. Henry Revill and Ann Revill and have extracted the following information (not always for the same person) regarding these names for you:-

HENRY REVILL
(page 43 of book) Births, 1794.   Henry illegitimate son of Ann REVILL spinster,
   bapt. 23 March.
(page 148).   1827 Henry son of Henry and Sarah Revill (Lievesly) of
   Duckmanton, bapt. 23 July by W. Bradnall.
(page 168).   1832 Henry son of Henry Revill of Duckmanton. bur. 25 March,
   aged 4yrs 8 mths by S. Revell.
(page 174).   1816   Henry Revill batchelor and Sarah Lievisley spinster, both
   of this parish.  mar. 31 December by T. B. Lucas

ANNE (ANN) REVELL (also variations of surname i.e. REVIL, REVILL, RIVEL).
(page 21).     Births 1735.   Anne daughter of John and Ellen Revel
(page 128).   Marriages 1796.  George GOODALL of Ault Hucknall and Anne
   REVELL of this parish, mar 28 November by J. Ashbridge curate
(page 145).  Births 1824.   Ann dau. of John & Ann REVILL (POGMORE)
   of Duckmanton. labourer, bapt. 3 February by A. A. Barker         

I trust that this information helps.   For background history regarding the Foundries at both Sutton-cum-Duckmanton and Old Brampton owned by the Smith family of Sheffield, go to this website which is about the Adelphi foundry at Sutton-cum-Duckmanton:

http://www.oldminer.co.uk/New/Adelphi.htm

Also there is an excellent book about the history of the Smith family and their foundries at Sutton-cum-Duckmanton and Old Brampton, Chesterfield, details of which I will post shortly as I've presently mislaid it.  Briefly when the foundry closed at Duckmanton my ancestors then moved to the foundry at Old Brampton at Chesterfield (as did a lot of other families from Sutton-cum-Duckmanton).   Then the Old Brampton foundry had money problems in the 1830's eventually closing, and my TURNER family then moved down to work at Andrew Handyside's foundry in Derby.   I had no idea that my ancestors came from Sutton-cum-Duckmanton and it has been interesting tracing them.


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Derbyshire / Re: Pack Horse Routes Glossop to Holmfirth
« on: Friday 23 April 10 20:22 BST (UK)  »
There is also another excellent book on the roads and trackways of Derbyshire, it is called "Peakland Roads & Trackways" and was written by A. E. & E. M. Dodd, it was published by Landmark Publishing (now sadly gone into liquidation) in three editions the last one and most up to date being printed in 2000.   You should be able to refer to this book plus David Hey's book at your Local Studies Library.  If you are unable to do so I believe the Local Studies Library at Matlock has copies of these books, as that is where I consulted the Dodd's book many years ago.

In case you aren't aware there was also another HOWARD family in Derbyshire based at Ashford-in-the-Water who are my ancestors (I am descended from Jane Keeling nee Howard born Ashford 1804 died Ashford 1836), they date back to the 1600's at Ashford but the name was then spelt as HEAWARD, they appear to have been free lead miners and puritans (pp280-281 "The Politics of Social Conflict - The Peak District 1520-1770" by Andy Wood, published by Cambridge University Press 1999).   From memory I think that there are Heaward of Ashford documents at the Derbyshire Record Office at Matlock, Derbyshire but you would have to check.

Hope this helps.

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Derbyshire / Re: Derbyshire mines
« on: Thursday 12 November 09 20:33 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for the delay in replying to your query which was:-

"if someone was listed as a 'slate quarry owner' for the Peak District area.... this was referring to ironstone specifically was it?"

We're getting into the complicated subject of Derbyshire's geology - geology being a very undertaught subject in schools!   Which specific area of the Peak District are you searching in for a "slate" quarry?   If I have this information I might be able fill in a bit more about the background information.   Imagine the northern part of Derbyshire which is called the Peak to be domeshaped and mainly composed of limestone;  to the west and east the gritstones followed by the coal measures consisting of layers of coal, clay (this is why a lot of potteries were found in coalmining areas as they used the local clay i.e. Denby, Langley Mill, Chesterfield etc.) and sandstones, overlay the edges of the limestone and dip westwards into Staffordshire and eastwards into the Notts/Derbyshire coalfield.  As previously stated ironstone was also mined in the east and north east of Derbyshire, but these mines were not necessarily "slate" mines.  Gritstone was quarried in the north, west and east of the Peak, and inbetween the gritstone and the coal measures are beds of sandstone and sandstone shales, which being laminated could be split along the bedding plane and sandstone slates produced.   Also to the east of the coal measures (incidently all the rocks that I have described above were all laid down in the Carboniferous Era), are found deposits of rock called "rotten stone" or "Bolsover stone" which is formed from Permian magnesium limestone (the carboniferous limestone of the Peak District Dome is composed of calcium carbonate) and when first quarried looks to be a good building stone, but when weathered, erodes terrible - the Houses of Parliament were rebuilt of Permian magnesium limestone after it was burnt down in the 19th century, and has had to have drastic repairs to it in the 20th century.   Slate is an metamorphic rock (which means it has been changed by heat by volcano rocks intruding or overlying  the bedrock), from either of the other two types of rock i.e. sedimentary (which are laid down by water e.g. limestone, gritstone, coal measures, shale, mudstones, sandstone etc.) or igneous (formed from heat, i.e. volcanic rocks e.g. granites, basalts, dolerite, gabbro etc.)   True slate such as Welsh slate was once shale (a sedimentary rock) changed by heat to slate.  True marble is limestone (a sedimentary rock) having been changed by heat to marble.    -    I do hope I have not complicated matters.

However, the majority of people having hardly any detailed knowledge of geology tend to call limestone "marble" when it isn't, so you can see the confusion that could arise when describing perhaps a sandstone, or ironstone quarry when it was found that thin laminated beds of rock that were quarried made ideal stone slates.   Thus such a quarry owner  could correctly describe himself as a "slate quarry owner" without the rock he was quarrying   being a pure slate such as Welsh slate, but a stone slate.   I assume that you have found your ancestor (the slate quarry owner) on the census returns and that is where you've got his occupation information from.

Sorry if I've complicated matters, but will try and help you further with your query if I can.   I've got many ancestors in the Peak who were lead miners; "brenners" who were lead smelters; "adventurers" who were lead miners  who drove drainage levels (called soughs pronouned "suffs") to dewater lead mines; and a gt. grandfather who was a "marble mason" at Ashford-in-the-Water - he worked on the beautiful inlaid ornaments, tables etc that were so popular from the 18th century onwards (if ever you're in Buxton, call in the museum and view their Ashford Black Marble collection, it's the best collection I know).   He called himself a "marble mason" but the rock they worked on was actually quarried and mined from beds of carboniferous limestone found near Ashford that when polished turned black, hence the famous name "Ashford Black Marble".   I've obviously inherited these "rock" genes from all of these ancestors (some dating back to the 1500's), hence my great interest in geology, with me going caving and mine exploring in my youth.   Sorry to have ranted on so much.  Trust this helps a little in your research.

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Derbyshire / Re: Derbyshire mines
« on: Monday 02 November 09 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
I've been a member of the Peak District Mines Historical Society for about 45 years and have a complete set of all their Bulletin/Journals, there are a few articles but nothing specific about slate.  PDMHS have a website, with an index of all articles that have been printed in the Bulletin/Journals, some articles have been uploaded to their website, not all.  If an article cannot be uploaded Derbyshire Local Study Library at Matlock, and Derby Local Studies Library at Derby will have copies of the PDMHS's publications that can be consulted.  However, for someone who is not acquainted with mining/quarrying and just generally interested in slates please go to the ADITNOW website forum address that I gave, as there was a good discussion from all over the UK which gave a lost of useful information.   I contributed to the discussion and (from memory) gave a Derbyshire website address which described the use of stone slates in Derbyshire.

Briefly, there are coal mines in South Derbyshire, East and North East Derbyshire, also North West Derbyshire.  On the edge of the coalfields ironstone mines were worked all up the eastern side of the County from just north of Derby (in the area from Stanton ironworks up to Sheffield).   These mines produced thinly bedded layers of stone, but they were chiefly worked for the ironstone not for slates.   The lead mine area is roughley from Wirksworth north to Castleton, and from the River Derwent east across to Hartington and Buxton, with the two lead mining inliers of Ashover and Crich located to the east of the lead mining field (called by the Barmote Court the King's/Queen's Field depending upon which monarch was on the throne). There is a large band of Gypsum in the south stretching from Staffordshire (the RAF bomb dump that stored bombs in the gypsum mines at Fauld blew up at the end of the war, from memory I can't remember the date), eastwards across South Derbyshire (Chellaston was one place were it was worked) and into Nottinghamshire where there is still a working gypsum mine.

Slates were quarried at Mount Sorrell in Leciestershire, but the bed rock there is granite.  Slate was also quarried in North Leicestershire - please read Adnitnow's website for a lot more detail.

Trust this helps a little further.

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Derbyshire / Re: Derbyshire mines
« on: Saturday 31 October 09 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Olive,

You might find the following website forum item interesting.   It's a mine exploration website with about 5,000 members, and there are very interesting topics from all over the UK.  It's called Aditnow, and one topic called "Slate...Across the UK" was very interesting and mentioned the area around Derbyshire and the Derbyshire stone slates.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=3505

Margaret Howard


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Derbyshire / Re: Derby Carriage & Wagon Works
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:23 BST (UK)  »
There is a book called "Derby in Old Photographs" by David Buxton printed in collaboration with Derbyshire County Council in 1992, that you would find interesting as it includes a few old photograpsh of the Midland Railway's Carriage and Waggon Works on pages 146 - 148.  Apparently it took forty days total construction time for a carriage to be produced from start to finish including interior fittings and painting.  One of my grandfathers also worked at the Carriage and Wagon works, the Works employed many local men.  You should be able to request a loan of this book through your local library.

Failing that, contact the Derby Local Studies Centre, who request you to email them to "ask a question" about Derby's past history.   The contact website address is:-

localstudies.library@derby.gov.uk

Trust this helps.

Margaret

p.s. The website address for "Ask a Question" is as follows:-

http://www.derby.gov.uk/LeisureCulture/Libraries/Ask Us A Question


 

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The Lighter Side / Re: Friends and Genes Reunited Sold
« on: Tuesday 01 September 09 19:47 BST (UK)  »
After toying with the notion to cancel my membership I've just renewed my subscription to Genes Reunited (at just under £10 as I've been a member for quite a while) and I'm very glad that I did, as I've broken down a brick wall that has seemed unpenetrable for years.   I contacted someone through GR who had on their family tree a member of my tree (my gt. grandfather Thomas May) to point out to them what I thought was a discrepancy.  Instead I not only found out that I was wrong, but that my gt. grandfather and his brother Peter Erazmus had an older sibling (Rebecca May) whom I knew nothing about, and the date of death of both their parents.   I had been led to believe that my 2 x gt. grandmother (Frances) had died, and that my 2 x gt. grandfather (Peter) had remarried and emigrated to the US with his second wife.   We have been searching for years to find the pair of them, but now the problem is solved, there was no remarriage in fact both of them died Peter first in 1843 and Frances in 1855.   So I'm very pleased indeed that I continued with my membership of GR.

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Derbyshire / Re: Finding Sarah FROST born in Bonsall?
« on: Saturday 06 June 09 17:40 BST (UK)  »
Have you visited John Palmer's wonderful Wirksworth Parish website which is www.wirksworth.org.uk  This website is a fountain of information containing parish records, census, etc, not just for Wirksworth but for the surrounding parishes of Cromford, Bonsall, Crich etc.   On it is a lot of information about the Flint family.   Have you also tried the DerbysGen website, another helpful place to look.

Margaret Howard

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