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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Ixworth bp PR (original not transcr) - Charles NUNN
« on: Friday 21 August 20 11:25 BST (UK)  »
Is there a kindly being out there with access even in these distracted times to the original baptism PRs for Ixworth? Repeat, original not transcriptions!

I am looking for Charles Nunn, the son of Samuel Nunn and Mary Beach.

Saml and Mary married in 1765 at Ixworth Shelland and moved to Ixworth. They had maybe 9 identifiable children, all bp Ixworth, between 1766 and 1782, none of them named Charles. According to transcriptions, two of the children were named George, bp 13 Sept 1772 and 3 March 1782. I have been able to kill off George 1772 (he died in 1849 age 76: it's his will that identifies a brother Charles, as well as other better-documented relatives). But what then of George 1782... I first thought it might be a case of a hidden private baptism of George in 1772 followed belatedly by his public bp or reception into the church in 1782. Hmmm.
Now, another bright idea. I wonder if one of those Georges is in fact Charles, misnamed either in the transcriptions or - perish the thought - in the baptism register itself. Please could sks doublecheck this in the original Ixworth PR for Sept 1772 and March 1782?
Many thanks

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Suffolk / Re: hannah
« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 22:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Julie,
Well, as you've posted on the Suffolk board I'm guessing your Hannah was a Suffolk lass! If so, then I can find only 2 Hannah's with parents John & Diana baptised in Suffolk over the period 1780 +/-5. One was Hannah Slater, who was baptised 7 March 1779 Glemsford St Mary. The other was Hannah Ward 22 Feb 1778 Baylham St Peter. (But that, of course, is assuming Hannah and her parents were Church of England. If she was nonconformist then it's a totally different ballgame trying to find her.)
Does either of those names ring any bells?
Birtle :)

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Cheshire / Re: All Saints, Siddington
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 08:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that, Mobo.
What a characterful church.
Your beautiful photo prompted me to go looking as outliers in my famhist had connections with Siddington. There are various photos both of the exterior and amazing interior and a history of the church on the website http://www.siddingtonchurch.co.uk/index.html - further testament to its uniqueness. (That info's for the benefit of other chatters - I much expect you've already seen them!).
Birtle :)

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Cheshire / Re: H Bower
« on: Wednesday 02 October 19 11:22 BST (UK)  »
It might also be worth your while posting on the Flintshire, Denbighshire and Sussex boards. See my PMs.
Birtle :)

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Cheshire / Re: H Bower
« on: Tuesday 01 October 19 20:53 BST (UK)  »
Sandra,
I might be able to help you, even if only indirectly. As there might be issues of privacy, I've PM'd you.
Birtle :)

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Cheshire / Re: Seeking help re two baptisms for the same name.
« on: Tuesday 24 September 19 10:15 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: a chesters on Tuesday 24 September 19 06:47 BST (UK)
I will have to go to the library to get Findmypast access to look at the wills.
If you can get access to FindMyPast then you'll also be able to find images of Cheshire PRs and BTs: bp's, marriages and burials. An invaluable resource. Usefully, the PRs overlap to some extent with the civil registers that began in 1837 (as found in GRO).
Birtle

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Cheshire / Re: Seeking help re two baptisms for the same name.
« on: Monday 23 September 19 15:09 BST (UK)  »
... and google <farr sandbach norbury new monthly magazine> . This pinpoints where Samuel who married Mary Norbury lived. It could possibly provide a clue when looking into his father John's bp (and also the bp's of John's siblings as eg named in his will) and distinguishing them from all the other Sandbach Farr's. I'll say no more - it'd spoil the fun. But let me know if you get stuck.

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Cheshire / Re: Seeking help re two baptisms for the same name.
« on: Monday 23 September 19 09:28 BST (UK)  »
Sorry - well, not really, if I've helped - to have been the fly in the ointment!
Images (nb but not transcriptions) of Cheshire wills are viewable/downloadable online on FindMyPast, but if you don't have a sub I'd recommend against purchasing credits: the list of search results doesn't always distinguish between pithy entries in the historic 'Index to Death Duty registers' (though they can be useful) and images of the will itself, so it has the potential to get a bit wasteful of time if not money. In addition, odd wills/images have a habit of disappearing from FindMyPast from time to time...
The alternative is the master index of Cheshire wills available via here http://www.cheshirearchives.org.uk/search-and-shop/search-and-shop.aspx. You can order paper copies of original wills direct from Cheshire Record Office (CRO) by this route.
Notes re searching CRO: it indexes the date of probate NOT death, and the two can be years apart. Also, when entering surnames in the Cheshire Record Office search form I recommend inputting as few letters as possible, thus: Far  (No need to use a terminal asterisk or anything to indicate truncation). This is because the name is indexed using the spelling as found in the will itself, which of course can be variable.
Give a good range of dates to cover the date of death/probate issue, and I'd recommend not putting in a place as it might be different from what you'd expect (I'm mentioning all this as the CRO Help pages have lost their link).
NB click on the More Details button in the CRO search results once you've found a match; this will tell you whether it is for a will, an administration ('admon'), or if there's an inventory (wonderful things!).
Btw, even if you should get a sub to FindMyPast I'd strongly recommend using the Record Office database as a reliable double-check when searching.
Have fun :)
PS Also bear in mind that the will might have been written years before the testator's death; the date of writing will be indicated either at the start or end of the will. Beneficiaries, such as those named in John Farr's will, might have departed this mortal coil by the time he died or the will was proved!
The date of probate is often recorded in a note on end pages of the will

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Cheshire / Re: Seeking help re two baptisms for the same name.
« on: Sunday 22 September 19 12:20 BST (UK)  »
Hmmmm! John and Ellen were very much rooted in Haslington, and had a son Samuel in 1797.
The Samuel Farr (grocer) who mar Frances Norbury in 1814 Sandbach was 25+ (PR and Marr licence), indicating a DOB of abt 1789. That fits with Samuel bp Feb 1789 Sandbach s of John Farr of Sandbach. A John Farr of Sandbach married Ann Weston July 1784 Sandbach, both being of that parish. Ann possibly bur 1837 Sandbach age 86. Not certain abt John but possibly bur 1832: the will of John F of Sandbach written 1815, proved 1832, names his wife Ann, sons William and Samuel, gd-dtr Mary Ann (the dtr of Samuel), gd-son John (s of Wllm). John also names his sisters Elizabeth Lees of Sheffield, Yorks., and Mary Wildblood of Smallwood, Cheshire. It's quite an interesting will...
In sum, I'd incline towards discounting John = Ellen of Haslington/Barthomley, in favour of John and Ann of Sandbach as the parents of Samuel 1789.
I hope this helps - it's been a very interesting journey! :)

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