Hi smol,
Thanks for your message, I have John & Janes Birth certificates and marriage certificate.
I also have son John b 1875 certificate no father named, and his marriage certificate.
Robert's 1878 father John Hayes (Locomotive Fireman) Hugh 1879 father John Hayes occupation Labourer. I dont have a Jeannie. Edith 1890 on certificate was born in Milnthorpe Workhouse no father named, Jane was it seems in said workhouse in 1881 with her 2 sons Robert & Hugh. In 1891 she was still in workhouse & had 3 daughters whilst in there. Mary 13/12/1887 ( no certificate ) Edith 15/1/1890 ( certificate ) & Jane 15/6/1893 no certificate.
John's occupation on marriage certificate Fireman, Found him on 1871 census in Cumberland but nothing after that. It does appear Jane remarried 1897 to a Henry Hillbeck (widow on certificate)
On John Hayes & Robert's marriage certificates it states John Hayes father occupation engine driver but it doesnt say father deceased, Oh i have got a real difficult one me thinks.
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