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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Friday 04 May 12 18:00 BST (UK)  »
Borderman  Yes, I too have the Croxford lineage in Wendover and agree with you about Mary Vere.

For Daniel and Eliza I have ten children, which includes the two extra you mention along with Harriet Ann b 1833 after George and Eliza Emma b 1843 after Sarah Jane - all of which sent to me from another Croxford researcher some years ago.

For George and Ellen (Picker) Croxford (m 1852) I have four children, Alice b. 1855, Frederick G b. 1856, ELIZA ELLEN b. ? married JOSEPH PINK (my gt grandparents) and Alfred b. 1879.

I came across something yesterday that set me thinking.  I found a marriage of Daniel Croxford to Ellizabeth Delaney on Jan 27th 1829 at St Phillip's Church, BIRMINGHAM, which is only a hop, skip and a jump from Wendover!

I know it could easily be another Daniel Croxford but just suppose that he left Wendover initially to go to Birmingham and met and married Elizabeth Delaney.  Sadly, Elizabeth dies sometime before December 1830 and Daniel, for whatever reason, travels further north to Manchester and meets Eliza Thomas and they marry on 30th Dec 1830!

If the marriage register for Manchester Cathedral has Daniel Croxford widower written, there might be something in it - but then again I could be way off the mark!

I think the line of George's wife, Eliza Thomas, will be very difficult to follow unless we have some luck.

Chris C 22


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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Thursday 03 May 12 11:49 BST (UK)  »
Borderman   I have the Picker/Craston connection leading back to Hasslehurst but did not have Thomas Hasslehurst.  Do you have anymore on the Hasslehursts?  Also do you have anymore on the Thomas line - I'm presuming that eventually goes into Wales?

Frederick Picker, son of William Picker (mason) and Mary Moulds was baptised April 23rd 1810 (Helpringham PRs).  Mary Moulds was the second wife of William Picker, his first wife Anna Maria Wimpress died in Oct 1803.  Confusingly there were two William Pickers in Helpringham at the same time - one a farmer and one a mason - ours was the mason and I think he died, aged 78, in 1839 with burial date Oct 28th.  So, birth date c 1761 - not found yet but relevant PRs are not very legible and it is possible that the name could have been written as Pickerd at one time.

Mary Moulds daughter of Thomas Moulds (ag. lab.) and Elizabeth ? was baptised in Swaton parish church May 23rd 1782 (Swaton PRs).  Swaton is the next village to Helpringham.  I can't get any further back with the Moulds line but it is possible that Thomas was from Northants.

Daniel Croxford was the son of John and Margaret Croxford of Wendover and he was baptised on Aug 25th 1799 (Wendover PRs) - I was out by a year before.  John Croxford (bapt Oct 28th 1762. Wendover PRs) was the son of George and Mary Croxford of Wendover.  I also have the IGI printout for the Croxford name in Bucks and they were largely Wendover parish.  Not been able to find an ancestral home - yet!  Daniel Croxford is not on the IGI but definitely in the actual parish register.

Chris C 22

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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Borderman
I'd got Frederick George's birth but not his marriage.  Suddenly, just from one post last night I'm getting all sorts of info and beginning to put things in better order re the Croxfords in Lancs.

Do you need any info on the Picker side, such as in Lincolnshire?  I don't have much, but it's better than nothing.  Strangely, without any knowledge of our ancestry there at the time, my son bought a house two villages away from Helpringham and still lives there - in Heckington.

Do you know anything about the Thomas side of the family, as in Eliza Thomas who married Daniel Croxford in Manchester in 1830?

I know Cumbria well, I lived there for many years, first in the south and latterly in Uldale in the Northern Fells, near Caldbeck.  And through my married side my (adult) kids have a strong link to the Borders i.e. Lanercost, Brampton, Stapleton and Arthuret. I love it around there, so wild and unruly, particularly Bewcastle.  There's a now lost farmhouse just north of Lanercost, in Kingwater, that was known as [W]Ryegarth where several generations of our side of the Little Clan lived and the Craghills were all over the region as well, such as Hardhirst in between Kircambeck and Lanercost.  I'm actually a regional historian and have done some work on the Border Reivers.

Thanks again

Chris C

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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that Barbara and no I didn't have Daniel's death date or any of the info about the shop.  That's interesting about the warehouse.  Daniel had a small legacy in his grandfather's will so maybe that's what gave him the chance to leave home in Buckinghamshire and set up the small business.

It was only on a whim that I did a late night search for him yesterday, to see if there was anything new and that's proving so fruitful!

I love the fact that I have various ancestors who were traders and they all come together in Nottingham in the early 20th c where my paternal grandparents, Annie Ford and John Pink founded a firm of hosiery/drapery/household stores and all from a single market stall!

Daniel Croxford was baptised in 1798 in Wendover, so he didn't live to a great age but I guess living conditions weren't good in burgeoning towns at that period. Daniel and his wife Eliza nee Thomas had a very large family but mostly girls.

I'd like to know more about George and Ellen Croxford and the hat box business in Liverpool.  I live in Essex now but have a lot of Lancashire ancestors from both sides of my family.  I must do something about boarding my family history interests.

The Lincolnshire Picker side of the Croxford family of Liverpool is interesting.  Ellen Croxford's father Frederick Picker was the son of William Picker who was a mason/builder from the village of Helpringham and it's possible that the family were of Dutch/Netherlands origin.

Thanks again   Chris

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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 00:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi 
Daniel C was the youngest son of quite a large family and I presume he left home in Wendover and made the journey to Manchester on his own.  Times were hard in farming communities and he didn't stand a chance of inheriting the family home.  Manchester was a growing town and there would have been opportunities there but I remember reading that the Shude Hill area in the mid 19th century was an overcrowded, poor area and very run down.

Ellen Picker was only 16 when she married George Croxford although she put 21 on the marriage certificate - they were my gt gt grandparents.  Their daughter Eliza Ellen married Joseph John Pink on 20th Sept 1868 in Liverpool and Eliza Ellen's father, George, is listed as a hat box maker on that.

Who is the Ellen who ran away to marry your grandfather Samuel?  Did George and Eliza have a daughter Eliza Ellen and a daughter Ellen?

On the 1881 census for Bolton Joseph and Eliza Pink are living on Manor Street with their young family, including my grandfather John Pink then aged 5.  Also with them was Eliza's younger brother, George Crocford [sic] aged 13, born in Liverpool.

Eliza Ellen (Croxford) Pink died in Nottingham at the home of my grandparents on Christmas Day 1921.

Chris

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Lancashire / Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« on: Tuesday 01 May 12 23:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi   I've just seen the run of messages on Daniel Croxford of Shude Hill.  He is an ancestor of mine also, his son George married Ellen Picker in Feb 1852 and their daughter Eliza Ellen married Joseph Pink of Liverpool.  George Croxford is on the 1841 census aged 9 but he was not at home on the 1851 census.  Ellen Picker was working for Daniel Croxford, her future father in law, in 1851 listed as an assistant.  She was the daughter of Frederick Picker, a travelling salesman, later a manufacturer, born in Helpringham, Lincolnshire in 1811.

Daniel Croxford was born in Wendover, Bucks, as seen on the 1851 census and I have the record of his baptism taken from the parish register.  The Croxfords are part of a long line of yeomen farmers and carpenters from Wendover.  I have a copy of the will of Daniel's grandfather George Croxford of Wendover, which is a lovely old town/village set at the foot of the Chiltern Hills.

I've long wanted to see where Daniel Croxford had his shop on Shude Hill and to know more about the Manchester side.

Chris (as in Christine)

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